Thread: Local news on Covid 19

I think we are learning new things about respiratory viruses with this one. For example, I dont think there was ever a respiratory virus that people were being tested so much like this one.

Like DZEC said, the virus seems to be able to replicate in the mucosa in some people but not penetrate deeper. Like the typhoid where the reservoir is in the gallblader/billiary tree. Is that actually a malfunction of the immune system? Should our immune system be able to wipe the virus from the mucosa as well?

Originally Posted by alex1921

I think we are learning new things about respiratory viruses with this one. For example, I dont think there was ever a respiratory virus that people were being tested so much like this one.

Like DZEC said, the virus seems to be able to replicate in the mucous in some people but not penetrate deeper. Like the typhoid where the reservoir is in the gallblader/billiary tree. Is that actually a malfunction of the immune system? Should our immune system be able to wipe the virus from the mucosa as well?

Bear with me in my lack of understanding.

From what I understand the mucosa is part of the first line of defense in our bodies.

Many times our body stops things at that level.

With covid many can but some can't.

Originally Posted by alex1921

Should our immune system be able to wipe the virus from the mucosa as well?

Literally speaking, in a healthy individual, yes it should. Immunoglobulin responses in the mucosa should tag pathogens for destruction.

I think this bug is unique in many ways and it may take many years to fully figure it out. Until then we are really grasping at straws here.

Many who get this thing and are asymptomatic might very well find out years later they have serious damage in various organs.

We already know folks with health issues are at greater risk. That makes sense because their systems are weakened already.

It seems this bug has the ability to detect where it's chances for success are greatest. That's what they have to figure out.

One of our bestest friends from Colorado just posted this on her FB timeline


Been a victim to social pressure! ��
Peer pressure is real and im not going to tolerate it any longer!!!!
Family, friends and clients....��
I caved! Got vaccinated to please everyone in my life.
Ive Experienced a week of migraine ,chills,fever,
Trembling,heart palpitations, Stuttering/slurred  speech. Blurred vision, vomiting, ringing in the ears, faint, passing out, grey/pale complexion, and the fatigue was unreal! �� �� ,
THANK GOODNESS I'm married to a paramedic! I was in so much pain i asked Jeff to take me to the ER! They would have pumped me full of MORE TOXINS (shocker) is what the vaccine is -ALL “CHEMICALS” and sent me home....He took better care of me at home, than anyone would! Stop enforcing your beliefs on people! I know why I dont get vaccinated, and some made me question that belief! I'm way too hyper-sensitive to meds/vaccines!!!! SO STOP ASKING OR DEMANDING this of me! ��
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Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I think this bug is unique in many ways and it may take many years to fully figure it out. Until then we are really grasping at straws here.

Many who get this thing and are asymptomatic might very well find out years later they have serious damage in various organs.

We already know folks with health issues are at greater risk. That makes sense because their systems are weakened already.

It seems this bug has the ability to detect where it's chances for success are greatest. That's what they have to figure out.

I agree there's a lot of "unknowns" yet, however those with weakened systems or high sensitivity may be worse off with the jab.
The problem with the 'herd immunity' concept is that the individual is not considered. 1 in 100,000 bad reactions may be considered acceptable, unless you are the "one".

Originally Posted by onimaru55

I agree there's a lot of "unknowns" yet, however those with weakened systems or high sensitivity may be worse off with the jab.
The problem with the 'herd immunity' concept is that the individual is not considered. 1 in 100,000 bad reactions may be considered acceptable, unless you are the "one".

That's an issue for medical ethicists to work out.

It may seem harsh but do you deny survival to a million because one got really sick or died?

As to Glen's friend, she might have been one of the unlucky few to get a really bad reaction but ask someone who spent a month in a hospital on a ventilator and survived with serious damage if they would gladly suffer those side effects to never have had to be in a hospital.

I'm on another forum and one of their members and his father iirc both got Covid. His father died and he just barely survived. He now has had both jabs so is fully immunised. For himself he has said he does not care how bad the side effects of the jab are they don't come close to what he went through with Covid. He also said his lungs may be badly enough damaged from having Covid that he likely would not survive another infection of Covid so being vaccinated makes double sense for him.

I have not heard of anyone getting as severe a reaction to the vaccine as Glen's friend unless it was a specific and rare blood clot which condition has also caused deaths. I think those case so far have only been with the AZ vaccine.

As far as deaths go from being vaccinated, I suppose it boils down to what you would consider an acceptable casualty rate when trying to bring a pandemic under control. Pretty brutal but that is about the size of it.

Bob

The odds according to the stats we have of dying from a covid vaccine are very low. Youre more likely to get struck by lightning. Regarding blood clots for the J and J vaccine. The odds were one in a million. Birth control pills lead to blood clots in approximately 1 out of 10,000. DO women ever get blood clots from any other reason? Im sure. You have to include mortality statistics in this equation. SOme people die every day from whatever. Life insurance rates show this clearly. The older you get the higher chance you have of dying. One other thing. If someone wakes up one morning, drinks a cup of coffee and drops dead of a heart attack, was it the coffee? What if someone drank a glass of water then keeled over? Was it the water? Ive heard stories about people dying on the toilet. Was it the toilet? Millions and millions of doses were given. How many people die every day in the US? WHat were the stats a year ago or better yet pre covid? Very complicated equation. The wife took a trip. Shes been vaccinated many weeks before. Gets a rough cold and cough. Gets a covid test on returning. It wasnt covid, But it was a pretty rough cold. We are learning a lot from this. But my guess is there will always be unanswered questions. I got the vaccine. As did everyone else in my family including my 85 year old father. Nobody had any issues except my 22 yr old daughter. Who had a low fever for a day. Young women statistically have the most issues. Get it or dont get it? Thats up to you. Theres a million reasons to do or not do anything. Eventually we will know more about it.

It's not the dying. Not sure why the only option is death or survival. I can show you scores of patients that didnt die. They are suffering from post COVID syndrome unable to work, PTSD for the ones who spent weeks on the vent etc. Post COVID care clinics are being set up and filling up quickly for those patients.
My mom had COVID, spent a week at the hospital. Took few more weeks to get her strength back. Ask her if she would trade that for a vaccine.

Blood clots from contraception are different, different mechanism. The blood clots people get from the non mRNA vaccines, J&J and Astra, is immune mediated. Antibodies activate the platelets which then clump, thats why people have clots and low platelets at the same time. It's similar to HIT syndrome some patients get from the use of heparin.