Thread: Local news on Covid 19

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

I think this bug is unique in many ways and it may take many years to fully figure it out. Until then we are really grasping at straws here.

Many who get this thing and are asymptomatic might very well find out years later they have serious damage in various organs.

We already know folks with health issues are at greater risk. That makes sense because their systems are weakened already.

It seems this bug has the ability to detect where it's chances for success are greatest. That's what they have to figure out.

I agree there's a lot of "unknowns" yet, however those with weakened systems or high sensitivity may be worse off with the jab.
The problem with the 'herd immunity' concept is that the individual is not considered. 1 in 100,000 bad reactions may be considered acceptable, unless you are the "one".

Originally Posted by onimaru55

I agree there's a lot of "unknowns" yet, however those with weakened systems or high sensitivity may be worse off with the jab.
The problem with the 'herd immunity' concept is that the individual is not considered. 1 in 100,000 bad reactions may be considered acceptable, unless you are the "one".

That's an issue for medical ethicists to work out.

It may seem harsh but do you deny survival to a million because one got really sick or died?

As to Glen's friend, she might have been one of the unlucky few to get a really bad reaction but ask someone who spent a month in a hospital on a ventilator and survived with serious damage if they would gladly suffer those side effects to never have had to be in a hospital.

I'm on another forum and one of their members and his father iirc both got Covid. His father died and he just barely survived. He now has had both jabs so is fully immunised. For himself he has said he does not care how bad the side effects of the jab are they don't come close to what he went through with Covid. He also said his lungs may be badly enough damaged from having Covid that he likely would not survive another infection of Covid so being vaccinated makes double sense for him.

I have not heard of anyone getting as severe a reaction to the vaccine as Glen's friend unless it was a specific and rare blood clot which condition has also caused deaths. I think those case so far have only been with the AZ vaccine.

As far as deaths go from being vaccinated, I suppose it boils down to what you would consider an acceptable casualty rate when trying to bring a pandemic under control. Pretty brutal but that is about the size of it.

Bob

The odds according to the stats we have of dying from a covid vaccine are very low. Youre more likely to get struck by lightning. Regarding blood clots for the J and J vaccine. The odds were one in a million. Birth control pills lead to blood clots in approximately 1 out of 10,000. DO women ever get blood clots from any other reason? Im sure. You have to include mortality statistics in this equation. SOme people die every day from whatever. Life insurance rates show this clearly. The older you get the higher chance you have of dying. One other thing. If someone wakes up one morning, drinks a cup of coffee and drops dead of a heart attack, was it the coffee? What if someone drank a glass of water then keeled over? Was it the water? Ive heard stories about people dying on the toilet. Was it the toilet? Millions and millions of doses were given. How many people die every day in the US? WHat were the stats a year ago or better yet pre covid? Very complicated equation. The wife took a trip. Shes been vaccinated many weeks before. Gets a rough cold and cough. Gets a covid test on returning. It wasnt covid, But it was a pretty rough cold. We are learning a lot from this. But my guess is there will always be unanswered questions. I got the vaccine. As did everyone else in my family including my 85 year old father. Nobody had any issues except my 22 yr old daughter. Who had a low fever for a day. Young women statistically have the most issues. Get it or dont get it? Thats up to you. Theres a million reasons to do or not do anything. Eventually we will know more about it.

It's not the dying. Not sure why the only option is death or survival. I can show you scores of patients that didnt die. They are suffering from post COVID syndrome unable to work, PTSD for the ones who spent weeks on the vent etc. Post COVID care clinics are being set up and filling up quickly for those patients.
My mom had COVID, spent a week at the hospital. Took few more weeks to get her strength back. Ask her if she would trade that for a vaccine.

Blood clots from contraception are different, different mechanism. The blood clots people get from the non mRNA vaccines, J&J and Astra, is immune mediated. Antibodies activate the platelets which then clump, thats why people have clots and low platelets at the same time. It's similar to HIT syndrome some patients get from the use of heparin.

Originally Posted by Bill31521

The odds according to the stats we have of dying from a covid vaccine are very low. Youre more likely to get struck by lightning. Regarding blood clots for the J and J vaccine. The odds were one in a million. Birth control pills lead to blood clots in approximately 1 out of 10,000. DO women ever get blood clots from any other reason? Im sure. You have to include mortality statistics in this equation. SOme people die every day from whatever. Life insurance rates show this clearly. The older you get the higher chance you have of dying. One other thing. If someone wakes up one morning, drinks a cup of coffee and drops dead of a heart attack, was it the coffee? What if someone drank a glass of water then keeled over? Was it the water? Ive heard stories about people dying on the toilet. Was it the toilet? Millions and millions of doses were given. How many people die every day in the US? WHat were the stats a year ago or better yet pre covid? Very complicated equation. The wife took a trip. Shes been vaccinated many weeks before. Gets a rough cold and cough. Gets a covid test on returning. It wasnt covid, But it was a pretty rough cold. We are learning a lot from this. But my guess is there will always be unanswered questions. I got the vaccine. As did everyone else in my family including my 85 year old father. Nobody had any issues except my 22 yr old daughter. Who had a low fever for a day. Young women statistically have the most issues. Get it or dont get it? Thats up to you. Theres a million reasons to do or not do anything. Eventually we will know more about it.

Life is full of what ifs and variables and coincidences and decisions we make and those we don't and our own genetic makeup and the list goes on and on.

Throw a rock in a pond and you get circles and eddies that extend all the way out even when you can't see it anymore. Do it again and the pattern is different. Some think that's how time is and our lives are.

There are too many things we have little or no control over so if there is something we can control why not do it?

They haven't tested it enough

Same Timeline

Another friend from CO, her Mom and Dad is who I worked for back in the day

"I'm so sorry that it got to the point where you felt you had to do this to make other people more comfortable. Focus on you and your body. Ultimately, you are the expert on you. My mom also felt pressure to get it and she has never been more sick in her life. She was so bad for 2 weeks we thought we were going to lose her. Massive migraines, steady temp of 104 for almost 6 days straight, shivering, she passed out and hurt herself. She is still not the same after getting it and feels like crap. She said that she will never do that again. Honestly, having an autoimmune disease, she should have never had it to begin with.
I am glad you are safe and had your husband to help care for you. Remember, it's not our job to make other people feel more comfortable."

In less than one week the "Medical Experts" have gone from Wear a mask to protect others to
The unvaccinated must wear a mask to protect the vaccinated... and you continue to support it


I fully expect in 5 years will will be seeing the ads on late night TV

Did you get the "Jab" ??? please call 1-800-need a lawyer

Another unanswered question What are the Drug interaction reports, did they do any testing
The answer I found was NO, anyone find something different ??? I mean after all we are being told to ignore the near 4000 deaths reported to VAERS

Originally Posted by gssixgun

They haven't tested it enough

I fully expect in 5 years will will be seeing the ads on late night TV

Did you get the "Jab" ??? please call 1-800-need a lawyer

OMG +1

Although i have had the first shot of Moderna, under duress, my wife had hers so, you know.

I completely agree, I've said that from the minute vaccinations where rolled out with emergency authorization.

i don't care what anyone say's, if a drug is properly tested it wouldn't need emergency authorization.

I know someone will tell me why it's safe and that 100's of thousands of people have had it with no problems, I say just watch and wait. I hope their right.

I see three possibilities:

1) 1 800 got lawyer for the class action lawsuit.
2) The end of mankind because no babies have been born for 5 years.
3) The most likely, Zombie Apocalypse.

Originally Posted by thebigspendur

That's an issue for medical ethicists to work out.

It may seem harsh but do you deny survival to a million because one got really sick or died?

As to Glen's friend, she might have been one of the unlucky few to get a really bad reaction but ask someone who spent a month in a hospital on a ventilator and survived with serious damage if they would gladly suffer those side effects to never have had to be in a hospital.

Yes, I'm not altruistic enough to be that one in a million.
There is also no guarantee that side effects will not have a permanent impact on future health. There are a lot of strong opinions on this & I'm really not trying to convince any one in either direction.
As Glen's friend said #youdoyou #Illdome