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    "For example, detroit car industry will not recover until the big 3 finally start making decent cars. There is nothing Obama, or any other president can do about it. The only thing he can do is steer the US economy as a whole, with tax plans, incentives and channeling foreign trade."

    The big 3 makes a decent car. They just don't make it at a good profit. Some blame management, some blame the union, some blame the labor force. I blame them all.

    • management -
      • excess spending on bonuses and other perks rather than direct towards product
      • cutting costs related to product and not production
      • bowing down to union demands
    • unions-
      • using money collected for political capital and not for product capitol
      • influence politics to shift market rules instead of comply and control work practices
      • use influence and money to sway politicians to inhibit growth of free market principles to non union programs
    • labor force-
      • manipulate union rules to limit amount of production during work period (contract says at least 50 parts, that's all their getting)
      • maintenance personel dictating when work is performed to get the advantage of overtime pay.
      • grievances for frivolous things as moving material out of the way to perform you work, when that job is only to be performed by "X" department. You wait until they move it then do your work.
    And the list can go on and on. As of today, the Ledbetter act was approved in the Senate requiring union only labor on PLA state funded jobs (construction work). Keep in mind that the union holds 12 to 15% of the workforce in this industry but are dictating policy with this new administration. Non-union companies tend to put their profits toward company growth, union companies rely on the union to help them grow by polital influence on business practices.

    As for Guantanamo, we'd be happy to send them to Belgium for proper due process. Something tells me you don't want them either though. Gitmo prisoners were not "abducted" off the street for no reason. The German referenced was not targeted by a secret American task force infiltrating Germany without the knowledge of the German government and brought to Gitmo. One would think that evidence was presented and approved by both governments before said apprehension. It is my belief that Guantanamo is not filled with choir boys caught tasting the sacred wine.

    And if your going to tell the American people that it is closing, you better give us a clear cut plan as to what is going to happen to the captives (yes captives, if they had on uniforms and fought per the Geneva conventions I would call them prisoners and they would be treated as such), not tell me that you have a task force looking into it.

    All I see right now are knee jerk reactions to appease a public that wants results immediately. Give the dog a meaty bone to keep it busy while you finish dinner, if you will. When it comes to the military issues ofour country, this administration is giving quick actions with no teeth to appease the voter base, while giving them (admin) time to actually evaluate the situation more thoroughly. I paraphrase but "close Gitmo amd all other CIA facilities while looking at other options including other out of country areas as well as domestic to detain" No teeth! It seems to me they want to close the bad "GITMO" and move them to a new place, maybe with unicorns and Skittles for everyone.

    There is also another small issue of $835 billiion on top of the $700 billion to "stimulate" the economy. More money on top of more money. Who is to pay for this? Let the market work itself out. The government can't buy out our problems, When they buy our problems, they are still our problems but now for a longer time period. LET THE MARKET WORK!!!!!!

    You make $60,000 a year and bought a $250,000 house. Now you can't make the payment? Get out of it and see me in 7 years (rent in the meantime) and let's try and get you in a $100,000 home. Don't let your mouth write a check that your A$$ can't cash!

    The new administration is still in it's infancy, and still has many obstacles of the previous to overcome. I just know that the previous administration gave no quarter if you decided to come and harm us. They also expected us to be the independents to provide for ourselves.

    Individual provides = shelter, food, clothing, heat, individual transportation, medical provisions, individual security (think 2nd amendment)

    Government provides= national security, infrastructure of public utlities and platform to govern ones self through elections.

    The United States of America gives not only to its citizens but to the world as a whole in any time of need, but yet we are continually beaten down verbally for any action we take. I for one am tired of my hard work and tax dollars going to those who don't appreciate our contribution to society, abroad and from within. And our dumbing down of our country from within is completely frustrating to me.

    I am a free man in this country and wish not to be in any other country in this world nor do I feel the need to explain to others why I feel this way. I am also sick and tired of working my A$$ off every day, paying the way for others so that they can Bi#%$ and complain about MY country.

    I would much rather talk about razors, But some of you continue to talk politics. I know we have had other discussions on free speech, but I feel this is no different tham sitting in your local barbershop and listening to what some old codger is saying in the corner.

    I'm still waiting on a shave, so I'll be over here in the corner. Where's the coffee?

    "All men are created equal. After creation, it's up to you to rise up or fall down"

    Kilowattkid

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