Thread: Fifth Annual Israeli Apartheid Week, March 1-7, 2009

Here's an interesting article from that infamous antisemitic hate rag Haaretz, written by a well-known neo-Nazi and self-hating Jew:

Gideon Levy / Everyone agrees: War in Gaza was a failure


"It was all in vain: no progress made, no goal achieved, nothing. Deterrence wasn't reestablished, arms smuggling into Gaza was not stopped, Hamas was not weakened and abducted Israel Defense Forces soldier Gilad Shalit was not freed. On these facts we all agree.
Moreover, we paid a huge price: Hamas is stronger, the hurt Palestinian people are even more hateful toward us, and Israel is viewed as a pariah in world public opinion, with rioting on a basketball court in Ankara where an Israeli team played and the banning of spectators from Israel's Davis Cup tennis encounter with Sweden in Malmo, as the last of the rogue states."

Man, can you believe the incredible hate this sicko is spewing???????????????

Originally Posted by Englishgent

Chimensch-You really are one sad, sad sicko... You are as bad as any Neo nazi I have ever encountered.

Smokelaw1 brought up the blood libel and I said I read a book about it. It is a fact that Arial Toaff is the son of the former Chief Rabbi of Italy and wrote a book called Pasque di Sangue. If stating facts makes me "as bad as any Neo Nazi" then I think you've just insulted a whole lot of Neo Nazis, who must be as dangerous as a PTA meeting.

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

This is no longer an argument. This is simply a man spewing hateful rhetoric. You are an anti-semite, not simply an anti-zionist. This is not me playing the "he questioned Jews, and went agians the establishment...antisemitism! Antisemitism!" card.. Everything you say, the sources you cite, the justification ofatrocities against Jews along with the damnation of any questionable conduct by them OR Israel.

Ladies and Gentelmen of the Jury! Ariel Toaff wrote a book of historical investigation. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote a 2 volume work of history with thousands of citations. I read books and like to talk about them. I think we should all thank smokelaw1 for giving us this great lesson in Jewish persecution psychology. Imagine this hysterical tirade taking place in the head of every Israeli and you will understand why Israel is acting like a lunatic.

Originally Posted by crackstar

Just a minute--Israel and Saudi Arabia have good relations? They don't even have diplomatic relations.

You're right. I don't even remember where I got that idea from.

Originally Posted by Englishgent

Chimensch doesn't believe in Israels right to exist, he would like to see it disolved into some kind of Bi-national state.... Some hope of that!!

No nation has a "right to exist". What every nation has is a right to defend itself, similar to every individual's right to self-defense. The point is that there are limits to what you can do to defend yourself. Israel has gone way over the limit. Yes, I would like to see the Israelis and Palestinians stop killing each other and some settlement that is reasonable and just for both. What I have been talking about in this thread is not what I hope will happen but what I am afraid will have to happen.

Everything that Israel is doing is making things worse. There will be a resolution to this situaiton sooner or later regardless of what anyone thinks it will be.

You fool no one.
Everyone who does not get their news from you knows what you wrote is, once again, meaningless.
That the war didn't achieve its goals? Who here argues?
That elements of the world are furious with Israel? Again, no one is disagreeing.

Mr. Levy believes in Israel. Mr. Levy, i dare say, loves Israel. Mr. Levy is left wing, and rather critical of his government. He has been accused of being anti-Israel, btu I do not beleive that to be thae case any more than very left wing americans are anti-US.

Mr. Levy is also, I would be so bold as to guess, not a salf-hating Jew.

There are people who agree that the war was a bad idea nd was excessive. WOW. Nobody here knew that until you pointed it out.

Originally Posted by Chimensch

Ladies and Gentelmen of the Jury! Ariel Toaff wrote a book of historical investigation. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote a 2 volume work of history with thousands of citations. I read books and like to talk about them. I think we should all thank smokelaw1 (Bob) for giving us this great lesson in Jewish persecution psychology. Imagine this hysterical tirade taking place in the head of every Israeli and you will understand why Israel is acting like a lunatic.

Who is Bob? And I beg to differ that this has anything to do with persecution psychology. Sources that you don't agree with are "propaganda" and you cite your "historical investigation" while stating that the Protocols may have historical validity. This is anything but a "hysterical tirade." This is me holding my tongue, and rethinking, erasing, and re-writing nearly every post so as to remain gentlemanly in the face of what I see as irrational hatemongering. One can be critical of the Israeli government. One can be a dove. One can believe that Israel should immediately give back the land, end all blockades, and then, then there will be peace.
If one dares suggest that there would NOT be peace, that the enemies of Israel and Jews would STILL fight to destroy her and them...then we are lunatics? Then we are war-lust drunk?

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Who is Bob?

Bob must be pavelaw ... I think I got my "laws" crossed.

Originally Posted by Chimensch

Bob must be pavelaw ... I think I got my "laws" crossed.

My friend, I think you have gotten many things crossed. You seem to believe whatever you read in a book... of course, it is most likely that you merely believe those things you read which are consistent with your personal convictions. It is not only Islamists and gentiles who can be anti-Semitic, the hatred for Jews crosses religious persuasions and is historically documented for over 3,000 years-- continuing to this moment. Even a Jew can hate Jews and if you are, indeed, Jewish, you are living proof of that fact. I, personally, know a person who is half-Jewish and he is your equal in the anti-Semitic department, though I think he is better educated.


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Originally Posted by Chimensch Ladies and Gentelmen of the Jury! Ariel Toaff wrote a book of historical investigation. Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote a 2 volume work of history with thousands of citations. I read books and like to talk about them. I think we should all thank smokelaw1 (Bob) for giving us this great lesson in Jewish persecution psychology. Imagine this hysterical tirade taking place in the head of every Israeli and you will understand why Israel is acting like a lunatic. [/quote]

There is no such thing as "Jewish persecution psychology." Where on earth did you get such an idea? There is a written history of Jewish persecution, but it seems that the only writings that are meaningful to you are those that are critical of Jews, some of which are merely hateful fiction. Hitler knew all about this; he was afraid that some evidence of Jewish religion would show up in his own history, so when the Nazis invaded Austria, he had the town of his birth blown up (used as an artillery target) in order that all records of his birth and the births of his family would be destroyed.

I suspect that what you mean is that if a Jew were to point out to you historical or scientific facts of a continuing course of persecution of Jews, or hatred of Jews, you would consider that as being "Jewish persecution psychology." In psychological terms, you are splitting and projecting, among other things.

What is this "great lesson" that you say I gave? Please quote it for us. What is this "hysterical tirade" you wrote about? What is it that you believe is going on in the "head of every Israeli?" Do you consider that you are possessed of some powers of psychoanalysis that the rest of us lack? It would be interesting to learn whether you have ever been in psychological treatment, taken or are taking psychotropic medications, and whether you are who you claim to be. On the other hand, most of us have better things to do than find out more about yourself.

Bob

Originally Posted by pavelaw

What is this "great lesson" that you say I gave?

The quote was from smokelaw1, who I thought was "Bob". Your name has been removed from my original post.

Chimensch, please to stop. You are Jewish, and you are disgracing your/our people.

Jeff

I sense a locked thread and some banslaps in the making...

I must to apologize for my poor English. I use a dictionary to help post, so please tolerate me. I think the worst thing is to bring in religion, nationality, culture, or race, or political beliefs in a forum like this.

Jeff