Thread: Ammo Shortage

I hate to say this about the NRA (of which I have been a member, and probably will be again), but Wayne La Pierre and his ilk have turned it into a de facto wing of the Republican party (of which I have also been a supporter of in the past, and maybe some day will be able to again), and a shameless tool of the firearms industry.

Their blanket endorsment of the Republican party over the past eight years has been pretty shameless, and so has their continous fear-mongering on behalf of the industry. When do gun and ammo sales go through the roof? When the NRA starts beating the "gun ban/ammo ban" drum. This entire shortage is largely due to the fears whipped up by this very organization.

Their magazine, "First Freedom", has only two types of articles. , First, it's "Ugly Democrats are going to take your guns" (the recent one with Hillary Clinton on the cover was even making thinly veiled allusions to the old "UN/New World Order/illuminati" conspiracy theory), and the second is a shameless promotion of one of their major advertisers. It seems that, according to the NRA, there isn't a bad thing to say about any of their advertisers.

I'm not surprised that there's a run on ammo. I also wouldn't be surprised to find out that this "shortage" is largely manufactured by the industry and the NRA. I don't think that there's any less ammo being produced lately, in fact, there's probably more being manufactured now than ever before, but what is certain is that many people are hoarding. That, in and of itself, will create the illusion of a shortage and cause people to hoard more.

My other problem with the NRA is that they make the 2nd Ammendment a Republican/conservative vs. Democrat/liberal issue. I now many otherwise liberal people who are gun owners. The NRA would like you to never speak to them again. The NRA doesn't want you to join the DNC and try to dilute their anti-gun slant and make it less of campaign issue. No, LaPierre and his friends are really just shills for the GOP, and they want you to support the Republican party on the basis of this one issue. They want you to ignore the absolute mess that they have left this country in on every other front. Health care, Wall st. deregulation, the war, immigration, No-bid contracts, energy policy, seperation of church and state, reproductive rights, the deficit, it doesn't matter what you think of those. Vote with the red states. Because otherwise, Hillary is going to send jack-booted thugs from the UN to take your pistols. The NRA is, at it's very core, an organization that strives to be devisive. This is a counterproductive stratgy.

If you want to protect your right to keep and bear arms, bring your democrat friends to the range and let them shoot a few targets. Make gun nuts out of them, and they'll be on your side on that issue at least.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Assault weapon ban != general ban on guns or ammo.

Bruno, the assult weapons ban is the Camel's nose. Once the government is able to ban the ownership of one class of weapon based entirely on it's appearance and nomenclature, and not it's functionality, well then it opens up a whole new way to ban every other type of arm. Deer rifle?, No, that's a sniper rifle. Shot gun? No, that's a Trench gun.

For what little it is worth, I have been a life NRA member since 1976 and an annual member for a few years before that. I don't think President Obama is coming after our guns, at least not all of them. The scuttlebutt became that he wasn't going to take the guns but the ammo. This rumor started the panic buying and created this situation.

I didn't mind the assault weapons ban. I have no interest in having more firepower than my local law enforcement agencies nor do I anticipate having to defend myself against a banzai charge. Ammo that can penetrate body armor that the police use and such stuff should be restricted IMO.

As far as more anti gun legislation, if they would enforce what they already have it would go a long way in fighting crimes committed with firearms. Unfortunately the politicians use their anti gun lobby to promote themselves every election cycle rather than having the integrity to admit that they haven't pushed for enforcement of the laws already on the books.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

also see Prop 45

We all know that the Left will have to make a gun play ... they have to, it is ingrained in their brains "Guns are Bad"



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See now, this sorta' proves my point. The 2nd ammendment is not a left/right issue, at least, it doesn't have to be. I know a number of liberals who aren't "gun-grabbers"

The assumption on your part that they somehow have it ingrained in their brains is as narrow-minded a stereotype as Michael Moore's assertion that the NRA was founded by the Klan (it was actually not, for any of those here who thought that "Bowling for Columbine" was somehow based on fact).

Instead of assuming the worst of liberals, try persuading them to try out some shooting sports. Try to plant the idea in their heads that citizens who own guns aren't a threat to safety and security.

Divisivness doesn't solve problems, it makes them more intractable.

Edit: Gssixgun, I don't mean to imply that you're narrow minded. I don't think you are actually and I hope my post didn't come across as insulting. My apologies.

While not a current gun owner. I plan on purchasing soon. I live in a conceal and carry state. There are plenty of folks south of me in the deserts of Oregon that do things that would make some people run and hide.

I understand that the police are stretched and sometimes they are not going to be there. I need to be able to defend my family, period.

Furthermore I look at the problem from a different POV.

I may not be able to serve for health reasons but according to 2nd amendment I must be able to defend my country if called upon. The military is broken, and the National guard is not here. We as a people are. If you own a gun, and a militia is rallied by the government, you better be ready to stand up.

Just my 2 cents. YMMV

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I don't think President Obama is coming after our guns, at least not all of them.


Ammo that can penetrate body armor that the police use and such stuff should be restricted IMO.

As far as more anti gun legislation, if they would enforce what they already have it would go a long way in fighting crimes committed with firearms. Unfortunately the politicians use their anti gun lobby to promote themselves every election cycle rather than having the integrity to admit that they haven't pushed for enforcement of the laws already on the books.

1. not yet, not at first.
2. standard deer hunting ammunition will penetrate a cop's vest. because it's from a rifle. and a cop's vest is only good for stopping pistol rounds. should standard deer hunting ammunition be illegal?
3. i agree. shooting people is already illegal. if someone doesn't follow that law, why the hell would they be interested in following other gun laws?

Originally Posted by joesixpack

See now, this sorta' proves my point. The 2nd ammendment is not a left/right issue, at least, it doesn't have to be. I know a number of liberals who aren't "gun-grabbers"

I however do not know one, not even one, that doesn't think there should be some type of gun control.....

I actually don't get the wool pulled over my eyes on this issue, there is NO middle ground to me, there is NO bad gun, good gun here, there is NO reasonable law.... There only is my Right to own what gun I want....

I do not vote Democrat or Republican myself, I vote 2nd Amendmant...

The only gun law that makes sense to me that I have not as of yet seen proposed is the requirement of a safe...I would agree with that, lock them up if it is not your carry weapon, so that they cannot be stolen....



BTW we are getting way here apologies to Zib

Also lets make sure we keep the discussion very, very, Civil Gents
I know I myself have a tendency to get very "involved with Gun Talk".....

Edit: Gssixgun, I don't mean to imply that you're narrow minded. I don't think you are actually and I hope my post didn't come across as insulting. My apologies.

No problem what so ever, I did not take it personal....

As a gun owning, gun rights promoting vocal supporter of one's right to defend oneself......who ALSO happens to be a left-wing social uber-liberal on most topics, though believes in (WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE) social conservatism......thanks for the good, even discussion.

And yes, ammo seems to be in short supply.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

See now, this sorta' proves my point. The 2nd ammendment is not a left/right issue, at least, it doesn't have to be. I know a number of liberals who aren't "gun-grabbers"
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Divisivness doesn't solve problems, it makes them more intractable.

As someone to the left of liberal, I agree. Rights are rights. I will also point out that I know plenty of people who are quite leftish who think guns belong in the hands of the citizens - and probably for the same reason (on the surface, anyway) as I have heard from a lot of Right-ish people - that the gov. should not be the only armed entity. Bad things happen when that is the case.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I however do not know one, not even one, that doesn't think there should be some type of gun control.....

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Look, There's one now! Thank you Smokelaw1 and Elliette. I have a socialist friend who owns a pistol as well.

Actually, I had to laugh when I realized that you were near Sand Point. I can't imagine you have any liberal neighbors.

And yes, we're getting way off topic here, and I get wound up when talking about guns and civil rights as well. I hope I don't come across as too bombastic.