Thread: Ammo Shortage

I'll start by saying I don't have a good answer, and that after reading this thread I understand the view point of all you "gun-toting wackos" a lot better. I do not own a gun. The few times I have shot, I've had a blast and am a surprisingly good shot. I have several family members and friends who own multiple guns, and I'd be lying if I said I didn't think they (the guns) were cool. I personally don't see the need to own one. I refuse to live in constant worry that someone is going to come in to my house. I've got a nice CRKT by my bed and a baseball bat behind my bedroom door. If that's not enough to scare off someone, they're going to win whether I'm packing or not, because I don't have it in me to shoot someone. Maybe that would change if I had kids, and maybe again if I ever (God forbid) had a break-in. I don't know.

Glen- I get your point, and it (and some of the others here) is the best articulated non-regulation argument I've heard so far. Perhaps I'm naive in thinking that times have changed and that 1776 was a different time, but I don't think I'll ever agree that you or anyone else walking down the street needs an assault rifle, and certainly not a grenade launcher. Let's all hope I'm not wrong. Where the line is, and who draws it is admittedly a very tricky task.

Joe- most of your points were great, but this:

Originally Posted by joesixpack

In point of fact, most of the gang violence is committed with guns not covered by the National Firearms Act of 1934 or the Assult Weapons ban. They are committed with regular pistols that wouldn't be banned except under the most draconian gun laws.

...is like saying "most of the dropouts from Compton High School were not white". Well, duh. Most crimes are committed by guns that are easy for any street punk to get- that's almost an affirmation that gun laws do something right. I'd be really scared if those @$$holes were running around with M16s.

Thanks guys for another illuminating thread. I'll keep doing my shooting with two joysticks in hand.

The spark that ignited the American Revolution was an attempt by the British, to seize the Colonist's powder. Without the powder that was stored at the local powder magazine, their guns would only be 'Pretty Sticks.' This was Eighteenth Century Gun Control.
It doesn't matter how many guns you own. If you can't find ammunition for it, or you can't find the components to reload ammunition for it, it's a Paperweight.

Originally Posted by kenneyty

I personally don't see the need to own one. I refuse to live in constant worry that someone is going to come in to my house.

I don't live in constant fear of my house burning down.

But I still own fire extinguishers. Guess I'm pretty paranoid, huh? Or maybe just prepared. Having a gun has saved me once before, so I take it pretty seriously.

Oh, crap. Fire extinguishers. That's what I was going to get at Home Depot today.

The comment was not meant as an attack, and I don't think you're paranoid to own a gun. I reread twice before I posted hoping that nothing would be offensive, so I hope I haven't. I just don't see a need for it...for me. I'm all for every one of you being able to have a reasonable gun in your home. Who determines "reasonable"- as this thread has proved- is not an easy question and one I am not informed enough to answer.

I'm an independent voter- not registered to any group. I am pretty liberal though. In terms of what I've seen in this thread, I think joesixpack is pretty much nailing it. I have always liked the thought of owning a gun but never really tried acting on it. For the first time in my life a couple weeks back I went with a friend to his gun club. It's a private club with a limited membership and lies on about 80 acres of land. We shot lots of pistols and ended it up with some trap. I had a BLAST no pun intended. Because of that, it pretty much kickstarted my mind into a gun buying phase. I'm hopefully going tomorrow to get my "blue card" (to buy a pistol). If republicans want liberals to embrace gun ownership then show them the benefits outside of self defense- sport, fun, engineering, etc.

As for ammo shortage I can definitely buy the 'manufactured shortage' argument, but I personally have no basis for any explanation. Kind of sucks for everyone really, and I do hope HR 45 and any other liberal anti-gun laws do not pass. I'm gonna need some ammo soon (for the range- because I just like to shoot)!

Originally Posted by kenneyty

Joe- most of your points were great, but this:


...is like saying "most of the dropouts from Compton High School were not white". Well, duh. Most crimes are committed by guns that are easy for any street punk to get- that's almost an affirmation that gun laws do something right. I'd be really scared if those @$$holes were running around with M16s.

Assult weapons are currently legal to own, but they are used in vanishingly few crimes. There's very little now that would prevent those @$$holes from getting AR-15s and AK-47s, (and there are several legal and illegal conversions for both of these weapons to give them burst and or full auto capabilities) but they don't, and they didn't before the assult weapons ban either. But my point was that banning machine guns did not eliminate gun violence. It didn't even make a dent in it.

Originally Posted by kenneyty

Oh, crap. Fire extinguishers. That's what I was going to get at Home Depot today.

The comment was not meant as an attack, and I don't think you're paranoid to own a gun. I reread twice before I posted hoping that nothing would be offensive, so I hope I haven't. I just don't see a need for it...for me. I'm all for every one of you being able to have a reasonable gun in your home. Who determines "reasonable"- as this thread has proved- is not an easy question and one I am not informed enough to answer.

This isn't an attack either. You have as much right not to own a gun as I do to have one. That said the first thing I thought of was the old saying that it is like a parachute. You may never need it, but if you ever do need it and you don't have it you will never need it again.

Originally Posted by kenneyty

The comment was not meant as an attack, and I don't think you're paranoid to own a gun. I reread twice before I posted hoping that nothing would be offensive, so I hope I haven't. I just don't see a need for it...for me. I'm all for every one of you being able to have a reasonable gun in your home. Who determines "reasonable"- as this thread has proved- is not an easy question and one I am not informed enough to answer.

your post is gentlemanly, and your point is well made. "reasonable" is different to everyone. it's impossible to agree upon, and i doubt folks ever will. which is why it's so important, to me and those like me, to let folks make their own decisions. I wouldn't ever want to decide for someone else what kinda hardware they should own. I'd never want ownership to be mandatory.

but in a like fashion, I don't want other folks deciding what kind of hardware I ought to have, in their opinion.

Ammo sold well, especially around election time, locally. Supply is starting to increase again. I would have bought some during the "rush" myself; only I already have plenty.

With respect to what Philadelph said, he is absolutely correct. I have taken a number of non/anti gunners to the range, I buy the first box, after that its on them. I have yet to see anyone stop at that first box. We need to cultivate an understanding of firearms ownership. Sooooo..... I challenge all of my pro gun friends at SRP to take a non gunner to the range sometime this summer, make an investment with that first box of shells and get ready to have a great day with a new friend.