Thread: Ammo Shortage

Hmmm...ANY kind of gun control.....

Glen, you mean like one can not own howitzers? Recoiless rifles? Full auto? Grenade launchers?

I'm not sure I am in favor of NO controls on the defensive instruments one can own.

If you REALLY want me to simply **** EVERYONE off....I believe my right to defend myself is not a 2nd amendment argument. It is a moral argument that comes from a place before law. I'm not 100% convinced the 2nd amendment really applies to non-militias! (ducks out of the way after angering well armed conservatives) I'm not 100% convinced it doesn't (ducks out of the way of whatever disarmed liberals throw...)

Now, is the 2d amendment argument a winner in its own right? Let's talk about that on another thread! But FOR ME...the reason I believe a man has a right to all reasonable means of protecting himself (or women and herself)? You bet! Who defines "reasonable?" Yeah, there's another thread.....

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Hmmm...ANY kind of gun control.....

Glen, you mean like one can not own howitzers? Recoiless rifles? Full auto? Grenade launchers?

Explosives are not Firearms at least IMHO
However Full Auto??? you betcha, why not ???

Please lets not go to far on what is gun control, and what's common sense,
The gun laws on the books are for the most part more than what are needed and should be enforced..... In fact if the laws on the books were enforced, we would not be having this discussion

As an avid firearm owner and shooter, I would have to agree with smokelaw and Glen. But, I don't think the style of weapon should dictate the ban.
For ex. I own a Remington semi-auto 30.06, and a couple of ar-15's in .223. One "looks" like an "assault rifle", and the other a hunting rifle. Why should one be demonized while the other isn't??
Oh, and I find myself a bit left of center if it matters.

Originally Posted by smokelaw1

Glen, you mean like one can not own howitzers? Recoiless rifles? Full auto? Grenade launchers?

3 of those are legal in the state i live in

I have many weapons, I'm an active NRA member. I'm a decorated disabled war Vet, I feel most of their emails and letters from the NRA are propaganda, and knee jerk type stuff, hence the ammo shortage. You can't find 9mm in Flordia. All opinions are welcome in this thread, no need to apologize Glen, I appreciate your thoughts and input. I have an AK-47, It does most definitely look like an assault weapon, but I have lot's of weapons. Bottom line, the only people that gun laws penilize are law abiding citizens. Do you think for one minute, the laws will stop Gang bangers or criminals. Heck, My Mossberg 500 12ga, pistol grip is probably considered an assault style weapon because it has a heat shield over the barrel making look tactical. History shows us what happens when citizens are not given the right to bear arms and defend themselves, look at Hitler for one....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

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I however do not know one, not even one, that doesn't think there should be some type of gun control.....

I actually don't get the wool pulled over my eyes on this issue, there is NO middle ground to me, there is NO bad gun, good gun here, there is NO reasonable law.... There only is my Right to own what gun I want....

I do not vote Democrat or Republican myself, I vote 2nd Amendmant...

Purely looking at 2nd, you have a point.
But from a (mine) practical point of view, there are some types of guns that citizens should not have. Abrams tanks... Hellfire missile defense... Mounted gatlings as found on ships...

And the 2nd does not make specifications, so what is an 'arm' anyway? An impact weapon? A knife? A rocket? But if you say 'all of the above' then what about WMD? Or ICBMs?
Or...

So in order to have a society that does not implode in civil war or in which nutters can take out an entire city, there have to be some restrictions. And imo, and this is purely personal, I draw the line at fully automatic guns. As long as you need to pull the trigger for each shot, guns are manageable from a law and order point of view. Just my 2ct.

Also, as far as the 2nd goes... The French did not have a 2nd when they started revolting. The Eastern Germans didn't. Your founding fathers didn't. The black panthers didn't... yet somehow they all succeeded.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

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The only gun law that makes sense to me that I have not as of yet seen proposed is the requirement of a safe...I would agree with that, lock them up if it is not your carry weapon, so that they cannot be stolen....

See. However likely it is, we agree on something: either you wear it, or you lock it.

I see your point Bruno. There does need to be a line. No one needs to own a Grenande Launcer, but take for instance, the aforementioned AK 47. It is Semi Auto, but because it "looks" a certain way, they (the powers that be) want to ban it. And as previously mentioned, Where does it end? I've seen the proposed list, and there a quite a few weapons on it. I seriously doubt that it'll pass, but as i said. These laws disarm honest law abiding citizens, criminal will always be able to arm themselves one way or another.

A great example of the effectiveness of gun laws is the federal statutes on owning fully automatic weapons. When first introduced the Thompson sub machine gun was available to any who wanted one in sporting goods stores around the country. The "Kansas City Massacre" and the St, Valentines Day Massacre to an extent prompted the federal licensing of fully automatic weapons in like 1933. Point being that the criminals from the lowly gang banger to the mafia seem to have no problem getting hold of machine guns in every city in the country.

Again keep in mind that all of this stuff The WMD,s etc: are Illegal or highly regulated already....

So WHY do we need any more gun laws?????????

And I know many of you know this, hey it is actually already against the law to use a firearm during the commission of a crime, really it is I swear...
Heck in most place it is illegal to brandish a firearm or to even shoot one in city limits ....
I know I am starting to get wound up but the point is, what good do any more gun laws do, if you can't even enforce the ones we have now????

I totally understand. You should see people's reaction when I use my spyderco for opening something.
And then I open my swiss army knife that noone thinks twice about, and then I ask: so shat is the difference? They both lock, they have the same blade length, they are both non-serrated. They are functionally identical. So why doe the black one freak you out?

The problem is, people are used to seeing the red swiss army knives. But the alien looking black and stainless spyderco looks evil to them
Both are perfectly legal things to carry btw.

So yeah I agree with you that those sentiments are stupid. That is why I carry the sak: to explain with rational arguments that it's just a normal knife.