Thread: Slept through 55 tattoos???? - The plot thickens

This kind of defence often pops up when people defend their prejudices.

"I have a RIGHT to think how I do. If I want to dislike >insert group here< then who are you to tell me otherwise. This is a free country. Blah blah blah."



Yes pal, well done. You do have the right. But it's not your rights that are being questioned. It's your wisdom that you choose to use your rights this way.

Originally Posted by jcd

This kind of defence often pops up when people defend their prejudices.

"I have a RIGHT to think how I do. If I want to dislike >insert group here< then who are you to tell me otherwise. This is a free country. Blah blah blah."



Yes pal, well done. You do have the right. But it's not your rights that are being questioned. It's your wisdom that you choose to use your rights this way.

are you sure you posted in the right thread?

Ok so I should take my hypothetical business to that guy, even though I feel uncomfortable looking at him?

If he had a skin condition, I would not care, because it was not his choice. I've had eczema when I was younger, I know what it is like to have something you can't help. But he purposely changed himself to look like that. So I don't feel like I should go out of my way to overcome my discomfort to appease him.

Btw, it is easy to jump on my neck, but are you sure that you have no prejudices or other factors determining your life choices? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Ok so I should take my hypothetical business to that guy, even though I feel uncomfortable looking at him?

If he had a skin condition, I would not care, because it was not his choice. I've had eczema when I was younger, I know what it is like to have something you can't help. But he purposely changed himself to look like that. So I don't feel like I should go out of my way to overcome my discomfort to appease him.

Btw, it is easy to jump on my neck, but are you sure that you have no prejudices or other factors determining your life choices? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

This has nothing to do with whether or not you would take your business to him, I don't get why you're so hung up with that.

The point is, you're forming opinions based on his looks.

And I don't think I'm not jumping on your neck, I just think it's sad that people still judge so easily.

I don't think I do prejudge people any more. A very good friend of mine used to be a drug dealer, I know homeless people, I know alcoholics, hell - I know people who have tats on their face, and I think every time I make a friend from a person who society dictates is not a good person - it makes me realise how much more there is too life, and how much you can learn.

Sorry, but I just don't think there is any argument you could possibly present to me that would make me think prejudice is justifiable.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Btw, it is easy to jump on my neck, but are you sure that you have no prejudices or other factors determining your life choices? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I don't condemn this jerk because of his facial tattoos. I would have felt the same about this if he didn't have any. I do condemn him for disfiguring a young girl's face. Regardless of how old she is or whether her father knew or didn't know. The fact that his having the facial "adornment" that he has makes it worse in the sense that he knows the social price that she will pay.

Like it or not the majority of people, in the USA anyway, would consider her a freak. She will undoubtedly have difficulty getting a job in most mainstream companies and won't be able to go to public places without people pointing and gawking at her for as long as she has those facial tattoos.

Originally Posted by Bruno

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

I say chuck that sucker while he is standing there trying to think if he has sinned!

FREE SHOT

Originally Posted by Bruno

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If he had a skin condition, I would not care, because it was not his choice...

This is the key here. It's his choice. He is choosing to look that way. This guy could never have thought that his choice to tattoo and peirce his face wouldn't have social consequences. He chose to do so in spite of that. Yes, he may be an interesting and articulate guy and after I get over my initial shock, and he may be a swell guy to have a beer with,but this doesn't erase the fact that he chose to make a social statement by doing what he did. If I wear a sandwitch board that says "F&#k you a$$-#0!E", I'm bound to face some social consequences myself. I have no right to expect people to treat me as if I weren't wearing that sign because that is what I am choosing to present the world at large.

This is not a black man facing prejudice because of the color of his skin, this is not Joseph Merrick being treated like an animal because of his medical condition. This is a man who would have otherwise not been noticed on the street, and perhaps that was what inspired him to do what he did. He has no right to expect that people will treat him as if he weren't covered in tattoos. Judging a person based on their appearance is not prejudice when you base it on the choices they make.

Seriously.

Originally Posted by gregs656

Sorry, but I just don't think there is any argument you could possibly present to me that would make me think prejudice is justifiable.

So if you were out for a walk with your kids and a bunch of people stripped off and started a sado-masochist sex session in front of your kids you'd be cool about it?

Or would you have a perfectly reasonable prejudice against the way they'd chosen to behave?

Originally Posted by joesixpack

If I wear a sandwitch board that says "F&#k you a$$-#0!E"....

If you were to do such a thing I would conclude you were a bad bunny, and treat you accordingly. So far so obvious.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

He has no right to expect that people will treat him as if he weren't covered in tattoos.

What conclusions have you come to about this guy, looking at his tattoos? Apart from the fact he likes tattoos, what can you figure out about him that requires you to treat him differently to how you would have had he not those tattoos?

Originally Posted by Rajagra

So if you were out for a walk with your kids and a bunch of people stripped off and started a sado-masochist sex session in front of your kids you'd be cool about it?

Or would you have a perfectly reasonable prejudice against the way they'd chosen to behave?

Well, PREjuduice means just that...PREjudge one before you haver more than their appearance to judge them on. These S&M afficianados aren't being judge for how they look. This man is. Now, his "looks" are intentional and extreme enough, in my opinion, to be an "action" or a statement. So...IF I were to judge him...I'm not sure it woiuld be a PREjudice, per se...still perhaps unfair or unfounded...