Thread: Who do you "pray" to?

Originally Posted by ENUF2

I'm Not a Theologian so I'll send you back ...

Say it as many times as you like, it's just as wrong the next time too. And, while we're busy quoting ourselves, I will return you to my former answer:

"Adam and Eve, seven days, magic flood ... same god. Different religions, very different interpretations, but same character. Same as the difference between Zeus and Jupiter. That religion (as they are prone to do) also went through cultural transformations.

I had this argument with my Jewish brother, me taking the "different gods" side, but he persuaded me of the nuance and I've come to accept my error."

Just because the interpretation of the god is different doesn't mean it isn't the same god. Catholics and Baptists disagree on many points as well, but it's still the same myth at the core.

Originally Posted by xman

Just because the interpretation of the god is different doesn't mean it isn't the same god. Catholics and Baptists disagree on many points as well, but it's still the same myth at the core.

Both Catholic and Baptists Believe in the Triune God (Father Son and Holy Spirit) The religion they practice and the way they conduct the governing of the Church are complete opposites (so are other Christian dominations). The Son they both (all) call LORD (Jesus) said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. John 14:6 (NIV)
If the Bible is the inspired word of God then there is only one path not many . If the bible is not true then how could any other religious document in or out of the Christian Religion be trusted. To the best of my knowledge nothing in the Bible has ever been proven false (this does include a young Earth and the 6 days of creation). If it were not for Christians widows in the hindu religion would still be burned on their husbands funeral fire. Hospitals would not have been started, Joseph Lister would not have invented anesthetics. The mayflower compact (the Pilgrims) would not have happened and the subsequent documents (Articles of Confederation, Constitution of the US, ect.)would have never been.
If you are not a believer so be it. If you believe in a "higher" power then you're an agnostic, no God atheist. If agnostic I Pray you are a searcher who will truly look for the truth instead of one who anchors himself on unsubstantiated arguments. Belief begins with the heart and is strengthened in the Mind (Faith in something or nothing) and the only person who can change your belief is you.

Originally Posted by ENUF2

Both Catholic and Baptists Believe in ...

My point was simply that the JCIG (Judeo-Christian-Islamic-God) are not separate gods. That dude in the videos equivocates. He tells you the differences mean that it is a different god, but it is merely a different interpretation with different practices.

Originally Posted by ENUF2

To the best of my knowledge nothing in the Bible has ever been proven false (this does include a young Earth and the 6 days of creation).

Of course the young earth certainly has been proven false repeatedly by many branches of science and all, yes indeed, all of the supernatural claims remain completely and totally unsubstantiated. James Randi has $1,000,000 for anyone who has evidence to the contrary.

This is exactly why it is a bad idea to debate religion, IMO.

XMan is absolutely right in his assertion that God and Allah are the same "character", but they are seen differently by their followers. There is no reason to even debate that issue; it's not debatable when observed objectively.

However, I am a young earth creationist that chooses to believe the Bible. To the point about creationism being "disproven":

Assuming that there is a God (which I think there is) that created Earth (which I think he did), wouldn't it be possible to imagine that through whatever awesome force it took to create this massive universe the created may have had such forces applied that render it unable to be aged according to our current methodologies? We are asked to believe that carbon has a half-life of 5,700 years, but we have human remains purported to be over 3 million years old. Hebrews 11:3 tells us "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." If the things which are seen were not made of things which appear, it seems to me to be impossible to prove or disprove anything. That's why it is faith.

The point is this. Until common ground is reached, there is no foundation on which to build. There is no beginning point from which to have a constructive discussion, and we resort to calling each other "dumb" or "stupid". There are a lot of really REALLY smart people on all sides of this issue, and there are really DUMB people on both sides (even the atheist and agnostic side )

There's an additional $.02 for everybody

Originally Posted by richmondesi

The point is this. Until common ground is reached, there is no foundation on which to build. There is no beginning point from which to have a constructive discussion, ...

Exactly. Faith demands that it not be questioned. Pondered in its meaning yes, but doubted of its veracity, never. Science demands the exact opposite, that it be tested to its very limits so that falsehoods and errors may be rooted out and discarded. With these two opposing methodologies spiritualism and rationalism will never see eye to eye because they look, as each intends, in opposite directions.

This seems like a good place to call it quits for me. Thanks for the civility.

X

Originally Posted by xman

Exactly. Faith demands that it not be questioned. Pondered in its meaning yes, but doubted of its veracity, never. Science demands the exact opposite, that it be tested to its very limits so that falsehoods and errors may be rooted out and discarded. With these two opposing methodologies spiritualism and rationalism will never see eye to eye because they look, as each intends, in opposite directions.

This seems like a good place to call it quits for me. Thanks for the civility.

X

Hey, I didn't get a "Thanks" out of you

Here is some evidence you may want to look at...
Again don't take my word for it look for yourself and see if anything makes sense.

The Age of the Earth: Evidence for a Young Earth, Young Earth Evidences.

Proof evolution is WRONG

Missing Universe Museum home page

Biological Evidence for Intelligent Design

Creation Evidence Museum Online - General Information

Creation Studies Institute | Creation Science and Origins

DARWIN WAS WRONG

Just in case your interested here is a little something different on the resurection of Jesus.

The Resurrection of Jesus Christ, Fact or Fiction?

This thread took a strange, but not unexpected turn....

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

This thread took a strange, but not unexpected turn....

I pray it stays on track

Here is another group of people who belive in go and they think the earth is even older than modern science is willing to admit, on one side you have creationits saying young earth, in the middle is modern sceince saying old things but young society, and then you have these pleople saying society on earth has been around long before the ages of things like dinosaurs etc.. very intersting perspective in this video.

Hidden History of the Human Race Authors Tour 1994 - KrishnaTube.com -- Hare Krishna Video Sharing Community