Thread: GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE TRUE/FALSE

Have to agreed man made global warming in bumpkiss. 40 years ago they were teaching kids about gobal cooling now in global warming and the pity is kids believe it. Yes lots of scientist support their claim, considering they are funded to study global warming it's important for them to "prove" it's exsistance. Their jobs depend on it you cannot expect anything else when Al Gore was running around convicing people to buy hybrids (which cause more pollution due to production) and install solar panels I laughed. If people want to waste money on them go ahead. Now that the government has backed the lunacy it's not nearly as funny. I didn't read all of the pages if thus thread but I did see at least one that echoed a point I see repeated by people I know "global warming is real I can see how it's gotten hotter" now granted I mostly hear this from young people. Even Gore is only arguing about 10ths of a degree. Come on people the earth has been here millions of years it's had fires range across the entire Midwest, and central Asia long before humans, massive volcanic eruptions, meteor strikes. It takes a lot of gumption to thunk that we as humans could do anything to harm the Earth.

Originally Posted by thehekler

Yes lots of scientist support their claim, considering they are funded to study global warming it's important for them to "prove" it's exsistance. Their jobs depend on it...

It takes a lot of gumption to thunk that we as humans could do anything to harm the Earth.

First of all, how many jobs depend on global warming being false? Oil industries, for one, and they have a lot more spending power than scientists do.

Secondly, is it really so hard to imagine humans doing damage to the planet? Have you heard of the destruction of coral reefs? The "dead zones" that exist in the oceans? The idea of a seemingly insigificant force causing damage to a vastly larger body? You mean, like a virus killing a human body?

I for one do not think that we are "killing" the planet, but I think we're making it unsuitable for us to live on, and in my experience the ones who deny it the largest believe that Gawd would never create a world so easily destroyed by man.

We are doomed I say, DOOMED!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by thehekler

It takes a lot of gumption to thunk that we as humans could do anything to harm the Earth.

How do you define harming the Earth? Because by most standards we already are.

The whole discussion as to whether or not mankind is the cause of the current warming trend is, in my considered opinion, a serious distraction from the real question/problem. The real questions (and my personal answers) are:

1) Is the earth currently heating up? - Yes, there is no doubt about this, at least for the last 30 years or so, and with some pauses and even slight reversal, for the last 150 years. This is based on real data, not an opinion, and the data is there for all to see.

2) Will it get warmer in the near future? - Probably; peak temperatures in previous warming cycles over the past 450,000 years have generally been 2-3 degrees Celsius higher than current temperatures. I see no reason to believe these cycles will not repeat.

3) Is there anything we can do about it? - Probably not; as mentioned above, based on the past, a further 2-3 degrees C increase is probable.

4) What should we do? - Stop the finger pointing and hand wringing and start getting ready. Most of the current efforts to fix blame and halt or slow the inevitable are a waste of resources. Accept the fact that the Earths climate is cyclic and that we have only been around through part of one cycle. Let's do what we can to deal with what will be.

Originally Posted by NYCshaver

How do you define harming the Earth? Because by most standards we already are.

A fair question which I will answer while asking you to define the ambiguous "most standards."

I consider harm to the earth as mankind (women are blameless in global warming) causing irreparable damage that in some way restricts the ability of the earth to sustain life. I do not included the causing harm to a species as harm to the earth. Doubtless mankind is responsible for the extinction of a fair few species but so are many other plants and animals it is part of natural selection and although we may play a more significant role it is still in accordance with natural law. You can argue that between the coral reefs and rainforest we are causing the earth to ever so slightly lose it's ability to sustain life and I am undecided on where I stand with that issue. But in the context of global warming I feel the evidence is clear and will be happy to look back 30 years from now and laugh at the ridiculous notion. Hope this helps to clear things up.

Originally Posted by thehekler

A fair question which I will answer while asking you to define the ambiguous "most standards."

I would say most standards would include animal extinction, pollution, deforestation, overfishing, strip mining, and all the random disasters like the oil spill in the gulf.

The USA alone has enough nuclear weapons to make the earth unlivable.

So I don't think it's very strange to think humans can harm the earth.

Originally Posted by thehekler

But in the context of global warming I feel the evidence is clear and will be happy to look back 30 years from now and laugh at the ridiculous notion. Hope this helps to clear things up.

What evidence are you referring too? All the evidence points to global warming as a reality.

Wasn't it only last summer that incriminating emails were released of groups of pro global warming scientists faking results to prove the exsistance. If leading scientists devoted to proving the exsitance of man made global warming need to juke the stats to prove it's exsistance I fund myself skeptical It is a fact that the temperature of the earth has never remained a constant. But now it seems everyone wants to blame mankind because the temperature continues to change. Yes nuclear weapons are horrible things but o cannot imagine a situation where a stable country woukd ever again resort to their use. But I fear we have drifted off topic which was man made global warming.

Originally Posted by thehekler

Wasn't it only last summer that incriminating emails were released of groups of pro global warming scientists faking results to prove the exsistance. If leading scientists devoted to proving the exsitance of man made global warming need to juke the stats to prove it's exsistance I fund myself skeptical It is a fact that the temperature of the earth has never remained a constant. But now it seems everyone wants to blame mankind because the temperature continues to change.

You said the evidence was clear. The above is the evidence you are referring too? Because that certainly doesn't invalidate all the evidence out there for global warming.

Here is some of the evidence:
Climate Change: Evidence

Originally Posted by thehekler

Yes nuclear weapons are horrible things but o cannot imagine a situation where a stable country woukd ever again resort to their use. But I fear we have drifted off topic which was man made global warming.

You said:

"It takes a lot of gumption to thunk that we as humans could do anything to harm the Earth."

Humans definitely have the capability to harm the earth and already have.

For the record I do believe in global warming.
I also believe that mankind has something to do with it.

I specifically use "believe" because I don't have the time to go sift through all the available proof. All evidence to the contrary that I've heard of seems to come from company sponsored scientists. And I will never ever put my faith in companies, there's only one thing that counts for those and that's making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Even if man's contribution will prove to be not as important as I think it is, better be safe than sorry no ?