Thread: Heroes For Gods?

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Ok, then that argument must also apply to the press and free speech... I doubt seriously that anyone wants to go there, though I could be wrong.

Really?????

You need to look a little harder !!!

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Edit: I was assuming you were talking about my logic about applying that rule to other 1st amendment protections, then I thought about the possibility that you may have been talking about where people may be willing to take away freedoms

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Really?????

You need to look a little harder !!!

Really, Glen. The congress shall not pass any law prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof. You are going to have to help me understand how you are arriving at your line of thinking.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

This says Congress can't pass any laws infringing on the freedoms of religion, press, speech, right to peaceably assemble, and petition the Government for a redress of grievances. If they then pass a law saying you can't speak about religion publicly, that's trampling on 1) the free exercise of religion, 2) freedom of speech, & potentially 3) the right to peaceably assemble if they choose not to do it in a closet somewhere or a church building. Disagreeing with people doesn't mean we should silence them, irrespective of how wrong, dangerous, stupid, whatever you may think they are.

So, yeah, if they pass a law similar to the one you said you support, they would by necessity have to do something about that pesky 1st amendment. Now, if I need to "look harder!!!", I'm going to need some guidance on new definitions of words like "any", "freedom", "right", etc. that I'm not familiar with. TYIA for the lessons

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

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Christian oppression: Prophesied by Christ as inevitable. Celebrated with joy by early Christians when they were oppressed and/or killed. I still see it as inevitable and for that very reason, as a Christian, it honestly does not bother me in the least. It's to be expected.

Chris L

Originally Posted by richmondesi

Really, Glen. The congress shall not pass any law prohibiting the FREE exercise thereof. You are going to have to help me understand how you are arriving at your line of thinking.



This says Congress can't pass any laws infringing on the freedoms of religion, press, speech, right to peaceably assemble, and petition the Government for a redress of grievances. If they then pass a law saying you can't speak about religion publicly, that's trampling on 1) the free exercise of religion, 2) freedom of speech, & potentially 3) the right to peaceably assemble if they choose not to do it in a closet somewhere or a church building. Disagreeing with people doesn't mean we should silence them, irrespective of how wrong, dangerous, stupid, whatever you may think they are.

So, yeah, if they pass a law similar to the one you said you support, they would by necessity have to do something about that pesky 1st amendment. Now, if I need to "look harder!!!", I'm going to need some guidance on new definitions of words like "any", "freedom", "right", etc. that I'm not familiar with. TYIA for the lessons

ok ok I'll go find it all for you hehehehe

BTW I never said anything about changing the 1st Amendment, we seem to trample the Constitution/Bill of Rights just fine without really changing a thing on there...


Edit: Here is some for you http://www.heritage.org/research/regulation/em368.cfm

Now I am going to make a point here, all these laws and rules are just swords they do not care which direction they cut.... As in once they are unsheathed they can swing left or right..... I don't think anyones rights should be stomped on including mine...
But I foresee a hard push back against all religion on the horizon...

Originally Posted by Slartibartfast

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Interesting, but is it accurate?

Major Religions Ranked by Size

I think my edited part of that post is where you were going with that original statement. With that, I might agree, but still dislike what they do.

Even good people can be made to do bad things if the conditions are right.

The Stanford Prison Experiment: A Simulation Study of the Psychology of Imprisonment

Religion is conditioning. This is another example of why we must teach our children to think critically at an early age. So that they may sooner identify and reject immoral notions even when they are given by authority.

Craig, I believe Ben's graph reflects the US, while yours is the US. Because pretty much everyone here is talking about America...religious freedom, etc. is a whole other ballgame in furrin lands.