Thread: Heroes For Gods?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Whoa whoa whoa that just isn't fair there, because until very recently...... Whoops that not true either, because in certain parts of the world religion still rules...

I was going to say that until very recently you had to prescribe to the "Law" (re: religion) of the land so to speak, or risk anything up to and including death... But as usual I spoke out of turn, because in many places in the world today, you still can be killed for believing in the wrong GOD...

I would not be surprised if in my lifetime, or the lifetimes of my children, that a person may end up being killed for believing in God. A full 180 degrees then. Sorry if I'm off topic.

I had to edit and add the fact that of course, being killed for being Christian has been a reality all along. Martyrdom. Depending on how fast or how far things crumble in this country IMO it would be dangerous to think that some such thing would be impossible on a large and sanctioned scale here. I don't fear it, I just believe it's possible.


Chris L

I would never go that far Chris but I bet it becomes Illegal in many countries to proselytize ones religion rather quickly... I see that change on the horizon, we are way into personal rights to ever stop anything that goes on in private, in a home, or a church but anything that spills into the street, I could see being made into a "Disturbing the peace issue" I would never agree to stop any religion in the home or church of ones choice....At this point with so many problems with Radical Islam and Fundamental Christianity just to name the two most prevalent to me, I would support a total public ban...

I do believe that Freedom of Religion can also be Freedom from Religion....

edit: In fact I was just thinking that really we are getting close to that in the US right now with Christianity, but for some reason we are treading lightly on the next two largest religions Islam and Judaism they sorta get a public pass right now....

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I would support a total public ban...

Glen is this a reversal from your "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose" perspective of guaranteed rights?

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

Glen is this a reversal from your "your right to swing your fist ends at my nose" perspective of guaranteed rights?

not one bit:

" I would never agree to stop any religion in the home or church of ones choice...."

That is them swinging their arm...


I would support a total public ban...


That is my nose

So no swinging arms in public, even if it's just to stretch out on a nice day?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I would never go that far Chris but I bet it becomes Illegal in many countries to proselytize ones religion rather quickly... I see that change on the horizon, we are way into personal rights to ever stop anything that goes on in private, in a home, or a church but anything that spills into the street, I could see being made into a "Disturbing the peace issue" I would never agree to stop any religion in the home or church of ones choice....At this point with so many problems with Radical Islam and Fundamental Christianity just to name the two most prevalent to me, I would support a total public ban...

I do believe that Freedom of Religion can also be Freedom from Religion....

edit: In fact I was just thinking that really we are getting close to that in the US right now with Christianity, but for some reason we are treading lightly on the next two largest religions Islam and Judaism they sorta get a public pass right now....

Does freedom of the press = freedom from the press, or is freedom of speech = freedom from speech? Such a policy would trample all over the first amendment, and as such would be a bad move, IMO.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

While we might dislike certain religions, or all of them, the 1st amendment would have to be rephrased, or rescinded for something like that to happen

Right here is the catch phrase Paul... This could be used

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Right here is the catch phrase Paul... This could be used

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances

Ok, then that argument must also apply to the press and free speech... I doubt seriously that anyone wants to go there, though I could be wrong.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

not one bit:

" I would never agree to stop any religion in the home or church of ones choice...."

That is them swinging their arm...


I would support a total public ban...


That is my nose

Or, you could just hole up inside of your house, and never venture out into public. Thereby eliminating the off chance of catching one in the schnoze in the first place!

Originally Posted by ChrisL

I would not be surprised if in my lifetime, or the lifetimes of my children, that a person may end up being killed for believing in God. A full 180 degrees then. Sorry if I'm off topic.

Chris L

Twas the month before Christmas*

*When all through our land,*

*Not a Christian was praying*

*Nor taking a stand.*

*See the PC Police had taken away,*

*The reason for Christmas - no one could say.*

*The children were told by their schools not to sing,*

*About Shepherds and Wise Men and Angels and things.*

*It might hurt people's feelings, the teachers would say*

* December 25th is just a ' Holiday '.*

*Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit*

*Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it!*

*CDs from Madonna, an X BOX, an I-pod*

*Something was changing, something quite odd! *

*Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa*

*In hopes to sell books by Franken & Fonda.*

*As Targets were hanging their trees upside down*

* At Lowe's the word Christmas - was no where to be found.*

*At K-Mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears*

*You won't hear the word Christmas; it won't touch your ears.*

*Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty*

*Are words that were used to intimidate me.*

*Now Obama, Now Biden, Now Sharpton, and Jackson*

*On Boxer, on Rather, on Ried, and Pelosi !*

*At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter*

*To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.*

*And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith*

* Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace*

*The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded*

*The reason for the season, stopped before it started.*

*So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'*

*Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me.*

*Choose your words carefully, choose what you say*

*Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS ,

not Happy Holiday !*