Thread: Are you "Furious".

Originally Posted by 1OldGI

Precisely why Slick Barry Obama will be re-elected. Once you've got that deceased/ illegal alien demographic locked up, you're virtually unstoppable

Personally, I think he's fallen from grace. I think his handlers see him as damaged goods.

I believe those that are buying and selling politicians are putting their money on the other guy to further their agenda of failure.

I don't see a winner for America in either of the two that will be running and don't see any way in HELL that a third party nominee can make it.

It's been proven too many times recently that our elected representatives do NOT represent their constituents.

Tar and feather time?

Brent Winterble summed it up perfectly on his talk show today, the court handed Obama a cigar with the ruling. But the joke is on Obama because it was the exploding trick cigar.

So the joke is on Obama. Roberts exposed Obama for the liar he is by ruling the individual mandate a "tax", struct down the provision stating if the states opt out of the Medicare expansion that they will lose federal Medicare money, and finally gave power over this horrendous law back to where it belongs the American Electorate. This will all fall into Mitt Romney's hand because Roberts just gave him a present. His Platform for the election.

Originally Posted by gugi

It goes beyond a single incident - in the past the supreme court's 'milestone rulings' (say brown vs. the board of education, roe vs. wade) were not along 'party lines'. Contrast that with recent rulings.
Edit: I know this is very superficial and simplistic, but for more substance you have to look at the opinons and the legal context and precedent. You don't have to be a legal scholar or anything, but you need to be interested enough to read what various legal scholars have to say. And unlike the partisans, those have not been flattering.

Thanks for the update.

In the mean time, I've read a few articles regarding the polarization of supreme court decisions in the recent years.
At least one political analyst thinks that Robert's decision to side with the progressives in the ObamaCare (at least in the ruling)
was precisely to curb the notion that, as you put it, "supreme court is being reduced to an instrument for party politics."
John Roberts broke with conservatives to preserve the Supreme Court’s legitimacy - Slate Magazine
Reportedly, this US supreme court has one of the lowest approval rating (44%) in recent history, partly due to its highly political rulings.

It appears to me, however, that land mark decisions based on political affiliation is not something that started this week with the ObamaCare.
In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) for example, District of Columbia v. Heller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, the supreme court ruling on gun control laws split neatly into the political affiliations.


As a personal editorial, I'm not sure this is necessarily a bad thing (yet).
The justices interpret the constitution based on their reading of its people,
and perhaps the bipolar nature of recent decisions only reflect the state of present US.

Many a US laws were passed on nearly unanimous votes, such as Plessy vs. Ferguson upholding the constitutionality of racial segregation, Plessy v. Ferguson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
which the Brown vs. Board of Education reverses. So it's not clear to me that solidarity in supreme court necessarily translates to higher ethical standards.

I hope I live long enough to see the feds take over and control american medicine,the entire medical complex of this country,it is sub par as it is compared to alot of countrys.
Is going to get alot worse.

Originally Posted by MasterMason03

Here here to "crotalus". For Obama to invoke executive privilege on this, this F&F operation must lead straight to the Oval Office. Throughout his entire administration, his conduct is approaching darn near criminal. This is nothing more than the left's attempt to in act more draconian anti-2nd Amendment measures and what is the result of it.

Deaths on both sides of the border, Mexican civilians and the death of BP agent Brian Terry. Where the hell is justice for Mr. Terry and his family?

This operation may have begun in the latter days of the Bush Administration but it was escalated under the Obama Administration. Orchestrated by Eric Holder and the UnJustice Department under direct order of Obama.

Both Holder and Obama are the worst things that have happened to this country in a very long while,its about time that all eyes should be on them.It's a funny thing though,if you think these guys are bad for the country or even worse (in Holders case)criminals,and say something about it,it automatically makes you a racist. I for one have had enough of this crap, I don't see a black attorney general..I see someone who is getting caught and trying his best to weasel out of it. Mr. Obama's antics make it look like he knew much more than he cares to admit. IMHO

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I hope I live long enough to see the feds take over and control american medicine,the entire medical complex of this country,it is sub par as it is compared to alot of countrys.
Is going to get alot worse.

What does the ACA (affordable care act, ObamaCare, etc.) do that makes you think that?
Again, I'm just not familiar enough with the actual health care bill to make this kind of statement (yet).
My vague understanding of it was that it provides decent health care to the needy,
puts certain restrictions in place (such as restricting insurance companies from rejecting patients based on pre-existing conditions),
while reducing cost by maximizing the economies of scales & collective bargaining power.
There was something about the death panels, too.

It was my understanding that people could continue paying for their private insurances, as they have been, and continue to get the health care as in the past.


From a layman's point of view, it all seemed dandy as long as the administration delivers on the promise that the new health care plan was self sufficient -
i.e. the additional cost in providing health care to more Americans would be offset by the reduction of medical bureaucracy and
the inefficiency in the health care/insurance system?

What aspect of American health care is going to get worse?

"Fast and Furious, the Contempt Citation" should really be called "Scooter's Revenge." Somebody was going down to to pay for one of Dick's boys taking a fall. Holder happened to be the one that was standing in from of that particular freight train. Just as the Clinton impeachment attempt was payback for Iran-contra when Reagan was selling illegal guns to Iran to ransom the hostages and to fund an illegal war in Nicarauga. The money boys in DC have long memories.

These goons do not get it. Obama did not win anything. This was a calculated move by CJ Roberts to expose Obama's cold calculating ultra progressive heart. All the legislature needs to do is repeal the damn thing and the ruling on the heart of the statute is a mute point. It will be an unprecedent precedent.

Originally Posted by MasterMason03

All the legislature needs to do is repeal the damn thing and the ruling on the heart of the statute is a mute point. It will be an unprecedent precedent.

The only problem is that this cannot happen. The republicans can't have 60 votes in senate, and so the democrats will filibuster any repeal. The republicans can try to negotiate, but what is it that they can offer in exchange? Remember, for the democrats this is the signature bill of decades. The dominating issue in the beginning of 2013 is going to be 'grand bargain' and the next extension of the debt ceiling - that's just the economic reality. If Romney becomes a president I expect the republicans to do about face on some of the 'Obama policies' they now detest and implement them, so that the economy can move forward. The democrats may try their hand at obstructionism but they'll give up in a short time.

Finally, you surely noticed Romney hedging his promise - he will 'act to repeal'.

So, I'd say the law is here to stay, even with Romney president he'll probably end up working to make it work (after some sort of political stunt that would allow him to claim credit).

Gugi,

Have you even read the two op-ed pieces I posted earlier? It is not like I am presenting a picture from a biased source. It is from the Washington Post.