Thread: Are you "Furious".

Kids are really dextrous so they're super good at sewing on buttons and stuff by hand. Plus they look so adorable with their little lunchboxes on their way to work. Better hurry so you'll beat the whistle!

"If your kid isn't cowering in a corner when you return home from work, you have failed as a parent."


- I would love to claim credit for this, but it's Maddox line if I am not mistaken.

Originally Posted by xuz

Let me repeat, why do you think ObamaCare is so bad?
Please give me an answer that isn't false and is compelling.

As someone who actually likes a lot about the ACA...I'll try and take a stab at this.

The biggest seemingly legitimate fear I've heard out there is for a long time now our healthcare has been a profit driven business...insurance companies can choose not to cover you if you have pre-existing conditions...or if you have a history of chronic illness...doctors can recommend all kinds of scans, tests, etc whether they are needed or not which just pads their profits...and so on. Since it has been a culture where insurance companies and doctors have made significant amounts of money, this might cut in to that. The line of thought goes that if cuts into their profits are made, the doctors that are in insurance networks will grow fewer, they will all become a cash only business and only "the worst" doctors will stay in an insurance coverage network. So quality of doctors will decline to your average insurance holder because the best doctors will have all started a "cash only" business.

It may be true, it may be fear-mongering...time will tell. To be honest, that has happened before Obama...my mom's doctor is a cash only guy, but whether the ACA will increase this is to be determined. You'll hear a lot of guys say that we will end up with "disastrous socialist health care like the UK and Canada, let me tel you how it is there..." then recant some horror story that happened to some stories they got from somewhere. But 99% of the time these people have never lived in a country with that kind of healthcare...or for that matter even been outside the US unless they went to some resort or fought in a war.

Originally Posted by UWPete

While I despise government hand outs, I don't see how we maintain the masses without social security and medicaid. We could kill all of that, but then you have a bolshevik revolution on your hands.

In order to be a tea party person I am convinced you really have to overlook centuries of history relating to the every day joe and said every day joe's ability to have a reasonable quality of living. Let's remember that pre-social security and welfare and all of this crap, people were living in even more dire poverty and children were working in factories. If you want to go back to that, join up with the tea party.

Social security A HANDOUT? beg your pardon but I paid $203,000.00 into that program over 51 yrs.
Nobody is giving me any handouts

Originally Posted by xuz

Your statement is false as per current law.

Please forgive me, of course the law forces only those of us who are "applicable individuals" (an individual other than those exempt by religion, not a citizen of the U.S., or locked up in jail/prison) into the insurance pool.

Correctly not all of us, just most of us.

Per 26 USC sec. 5000A

Originally Posted by honedright

Please forgive me, of course the law forces only those of us who are "applicable individuals" (an individual other than those exempt by religion, not a citizen of the U.S., or locked up in jail/prison) into the insurance pool.

Correctly not all of us, just most of us.

Per 26 USC sec. 5000A

Not to worry gentlemen, with the current administration providing a pathway to citizenship for thousands, if not more illegal residents, we'll have plenty of new taxpayers soon to help pay for their healthcare, as well as everyone elses'.

Originally Posted by xuz

Let me repeat, why do you think ObamaCare is so bad?
Please give me an answer that isn't false and is compelling.

Didn't Obama state that he wouldn't raise taxes on the middle class? And that ACA is not a tax? Talk about false and compelling...

And you think Obama-cares?

Originally Posted by ReardenSteel

Not to worry gentlemen, with the current administration providing a pathway to citizenship for thousands, if not more illegal residents, we'll have plenty of new taxpayers soon to help pay for their healthcare, as well as everyone elses'.

Oh yeah....right

Good to know that the likes of Madoff and sandusky will get med care for FREE,suppose some of what I have to pay will provide them with health care tho.

Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826)
QUOTATION: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

This is what I am afraid we are faced with.