Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

I'll check the video out, thanks.

Originally Posted by MickR

Considering the where of this event, I'm hoping my mate Nightblade (Steph) wasn't there. A little concerned actually. You still around Steph?

Originally Posted by MickR

Mick

I'm here my friend and I am well. I am not going to go on with reading any more of this thread as it hurts my mind. i'm a gun owner . I grew up in the country hunting and working hard and believing in myself and the wisdom of my elders(yes,I actually listend to them)Listening is a good virtue . I don't believe in everything the govt' and "the great ahem-Micheal Moore" tells me is is the gospel word . I don't listen to statistics or bar graphs. It is quite clear to me as I get older that I see a world where everybody is drunk with consumerism,selfism and government protection. There used to be a time when by age 12 or so,you could chop wood on your own,hunt and know how to use a firearm responsibly or if you didn't you'de get whooped(but that's considered child beating now). in the old days you rode and took care of horses,in modern times you learned how to fix the family truck or whatever. You didn't have this herd mentality(oh great governments save us cause we can't save ourselves).You helped out with the family chores or business. Life will never be utopian and yet it amazes me how people keep on with this futile battle of bending life to their wills when it is they who must do the bending. You need to face life yourself and stop cowering and being afraid of everything. You can govern and legislate yourselves into a corner where every tiny thing you do is under a microscope...but what kind of life is that....no offense but I was 26 once...don't tell me that you have been around and seen things at 26 unless you have been in combat or lived in a mud hut in some 3rd world starving village with guerilllas killing your country men. Think and do for yourself. We got a ton of laws...we just need to actually enforce them instead of creating yet more red tape. We all need to grow up !! Nuff said..thank you

Originally Posted by Wintchase

Milosevic? Well my friend, you earn the moniker of "harder than woodpecker lips". Anyone that made through that has my respect.

I was a pre-teen/early-teen before moving to Canada, so other than the general poverty and a bit of tear gas and water cannon, I didn't have it too bad.. Dad's beatdown when he found out I protested and faced off against the MUP was worse than anything they could dish out.. He's an old school country boy

Originally Posted by Nightblade

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I'm here my friend and I am well. I am not going to go on with reading any more of this thread as it hurts my mind. i'm a gun owner . I grew up in the country hunting and working hard and believing in myself and the wisdom of my elders(yes,I actually listend to them)Listening is a good virtue . I don't believe in everything the govt' and "the great ahem-Micheal Moore" tells me is is the gospel word . I don't listen to statistics or bar graphs. It is quite clear to me as I get older that I see a world where everybody is drunk with consumerism,selfism and government protection. There used to be a time when by age 12 or so,you could chop wood on your own,hunt and know how to use a firearm responsibly or if you didn't you'de get whooped(but that's considered child beating now). in the old days you rode and took care of horses,in modern times you learned how to fix the family truck or whatever. You didn't have this herd mentality(oh great governments save us cause we can't save ourselves).You helped out with the family chores or business. Life will never be utopian and yet it amazes me how people keep on with this futile battle of bending life to their wills when it is they who must do the bending. You need to face life yourself and stop cowering and being afraid of everything. You can govern and legislate yourselves into a corner where every tiny thing you do is under a microscope...but what kind of life is that....no offense but I was 26 once...don't tell me that you have been around and seen things at 26 unless you have been in combat or lived in a mud hut in some 3rd world starving village with guerilllas killing your country men. Think and do for yourself. We got a ton of laws...we just need to actually enforce them instead of creating yet more red tape. We all need to grow up !! Nuff said..thank you

I don't know where you grew up, nor when. I graduated from HS in 1979. We never had any shootings while I was there. A big number of us guys ALWAYS had a gun or two behind the seat of our pickups. We never thought of shooting any people, that was just wrong. Many people have provided many differing thoughts as to what is wrong. The only thing I can say that I've noticed, there's no accountability anymore. It's never "My fault", it's always some outside factor that drove me to do whatever. No accountability, no remorse. Everything is owed to me. I've spoken to the "new" batch of kids coming now. They're good kids, give them a chance. There will always be F-ups. But, things will be alright.
Every road has a few bumps, thanks if you read that, Take care, Don

Appears the problem was already solved in Aurora.

** See Aurora Code Sec. 94-146a: "It shall be unlawful for any person to fire, shoot, or discharge any firearm; crossbow; bow and arrow; slingshot; blowgun; BB gun or pellet gun, whether powered with gunpowder, compressed air, or gas cartridges; gas gun; or any weapon whatsoever within the city limits. However, such discharge, firing, or shooting by any law enforcement officer, federal, state, county, or city, in the course of his or her official duty shall not be deemed a violation of this subsection, and such discharge, firing, or shooting at commercial, private, or public shooting ranges or by authorized classes of schools or universities at all times under proper instruction and supervision as may be authorized or permitted by law shall not be deemed a violation of this subsection."

What he did by carrying loaded guns and discharging them is against the law.

Those that chose to obey the law paid the price.

I'll go further and say that he bought those guns with intent to commit a crime. That is illegal as far as I know as well.

It was and is a sad day for Aurora and the USA.

I do like what this young lady has to say about it.
Aurora's Strict Gun Laws Didn't Prevent Shooting, But If One Law-Abiding Person In The Theater Had Been Carrying One... | CNSNews.com

Originally Posted by donv

I don't know where you grew up, nor when. I graduated from HS in 1979. We never had any shootings while I was there. A big number of us guys ALWAYS had a gun or two behind the seat of our pickups. We never thought of shooting any people, that was just wrong. Many people have provided many differing thoughts as to what is wrong. The only thing I can say that I've noticed, there's no accountability anymore. It's never "My fault", it's always some outside factor that drove me to do whatever. No accountability, no remorse. Everything is owed to me. I've spoken to the "new" batch of kids coming now. They're good kids, give them a chance. There will always be F-ups. But, things will be alright.
Every road has a few bumps, thanks if you read that, Take care, Don

Hey Don.....Grew up in northern Michigan ,49 yrs old.Been shooting since I was about 8.Took mandatory hunters safety,boaters safety and snowmobile safety in high school. Our Dept. Natural resources had almost more juristiction than the state police and you usually didn't mess around if you were smart. Like you, most of us had guns in our homes and pickups. We knew if you got out of line with guns,you'de pay the price period. I don't care if you got a semi auto or a class III to have full auto or a bb gun.Responsability is the key,as is accountability. Agreed. I know not all these kids are bad eggs,I just think that the more ahem... "civilized" our society in general supposedly gets,the less common sense we have and we seem to turn to our government to solve everything for us without question. We fall for all the doomsayers and media garbage to regulate our scruples and emotions. Hence..we need to grow back up ,put the big man pants on,turn the ball cap to the front and stop trying to chase after this brave new world insulator bubble utopia that will never and god forbid ever exist. Freedom and self governance and accountability.......Regards

Fact of the matter is, You have absolutely no idea of what life experience I have, you say "don't tell me that you have been around and seen things at 26 unless you have been in combat or lived in a mud hut in some 3rd world starving village with guerilllas killing your country men." and I say don't tell me you have life experience until you have fought off a gang of thugs in an inner city center who are trying to abduct, and kill you ... we all have our experiences. I would like to take this moment to say that you clearly won't have your mind changed, no matter the evidence before you. Just because it is a right to carry a weapon, that doesn't make it right. I have the right to defend myself in the UK with reasonable force, this means if I fear for my life I can kill. Would I? Well I have the capability through training, but no I would never do that I would pin them down for the police to decide what's right. I also know that if guns are outlawed in a country the rate of deaths due to gun crime falls dramatically, that is a matter of fact. I also know that if you carry a weapon you are more likely to die at the hands of your own weapon than prevent a crime, another matter of fact. Times used to be simple, and now they are not so much. Leglislature is there to protect not inhibit, I agree with you that the world is a mass of concumerism bullshit, and the problems are complex.

There is a point where you have to create your own destiny, but it can be helped by having the backing of a strong government. I grew up in a time where kids got where they wanted, my parents did their best with me and I turned out to be a good member of soceity, after some rocky times. You are right that you need to have your laws enforced rather than creating more, but answer me this ... would any degree of law enforcement have prevented this tragedy? The only enforcement that would have prevented this would have been if the man wasn't armed in the first place. People have talked about how he could have easily made explosives in this thread, personally I think that is a bit of a pipe dream and that he would have been caught long before he actually harmed anyone had he gone down that route.

Just to clarify a point made by someone earlier, you can own a gun in the UK, you just need a good reason. If you are a hunter you can have a gun, you just need a license during which time you will have a thourough mental examination. You can own a gun if you have enough land to warrent it, the same license rules apply. Giving people the right to own ballistic weapons "just because", isn't good enough in the modern times where life seems cheap to some. Yes you can kill using your hands or non ballistic weapons, but you will not manage to cause as much damage, and you may even fail in the actual killing, giving the victims a much greater chance of survival. In my life, through studying at University, and school, having a great amount of evidence to beleive something is most important to me. I won't go on anecdotal evidence, I need facts and figures. I found mine, did you?

Going onto the Michael moore thing again, he is a comedic documentarian, but he can't lie. He can exaggerate the truth, and he does. I am not naive, I have done my own research, don't think for a second that the BBC haven't written documentaries on this sort of thing too. The BBC HAVE to be impartial, or they lose their right to broadcast, so watch some of those documentaries if you will.

I am glad you are safe Nightblade.

Originally Posted by Nightblade

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I'm here my friend and I am well. I am not going to go on with reading any more of this thread as it hurts my mind. i'm a gun owner . I grew up in the country hunting and working hard and believing in myself and the wisdom of my elders(yes,I actually listend to them)Listening is a good virtue . I don't believe in everything the govt' and "the great ahem-Micheal Moore" tells me is is the gospel word . I don't listen to statistics or bar graphs. It is quite clear to me as I get older that I see a world where everybody is drunk with consumerism,selfism and government protection. There used to be a time when by age 12 or so,you could chop wood on your own,hunt and know how to use a firearm responsibly or if you didn't you'de get whooped(but that's considered child beating now). in the old days you rode and took care of horses,in modern times you learned how to fix the family truck or whatever. You didn't have this herd mentality(oh great governments save us cause we can't save ourselves).You helped out with the family chores or business. Life will never be utopian and yet it amazes me how people keep on with this futile battle of bending life to their wills when it is they who must do the bending. You need to face life yourself and stop cowering and being afraid of everything. You can govern and legislate yourselves into a corner where every tiny thing you do is under a microscope...but what kind of life is that....no offense but I was 26 once...don't tell me that you have been around and seen things at 26 unless you have been in combat or lived in a mud hut in some 3rd world starving village with guerilllas killing your country men. Think and do for yourself. We got a ton of laws...we just need to actually enforce them instead of creating yet more red tape. We all need to grow up !! Nuff said..thank you

I will leave you to your ideology then. have a nice night..I'm done here.

We can disagree and both be right, we are intelligent adults after all

Originally Posted by Nightblade

I will leave you to your ideology then. have a nice night..I'm done here.

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I have the right to defend myself in the UK with reasonable force, this means if I fear for my life I can kill. Would I? Well I have the capability through training, but no I would never do that I would pin them down for the police to decide what's right. .

Yep, you just confirmed everything I had thought....