Thread: Here we go

Originally Posted by ZeroCool

I think Obama will win. You can't fix 16 years of Bush in one term...takes a bit longer.

Not too mention, Romney's statement of Sandy, "people should stay in their other homes while things are being cleaned up at the shore". Unfortunately my second and third home's are being remodeled at the moment so that won't work. I mean how far out of touch can one individual be! I'm in the upper middle class and I can't even begin to relate to this guy, perhaps the top 10% can.

I think it's things like this that will have cost him the election if he loses.
I think it will be close, and I think it will be the fact that he is clueless about average income issues that will be the thing that will end up costing him that final couple of % he would have needed.

Had he played that part better and at least pretended he understood what it means to have to make ends meet, he would have been a much stronger contender.

Originally Posted by ZeroCool

I think Obama will win. You can't fix 16 years of Bush in one term...takes a bit longer.

Not too mention, Romney's statement of Sandy, "people should stay in their other homes while things are being cleaned up at the shore". Unfortunately my second and third home's are being remodeled at the moment so that won't work. I mean how far out of touch can one individual be! I'm in the upper middle class and I can't even begin to relate to this guy, perhaps the top 10% can.

I think that is a good part of what has the rest of the world laughing at him. It would be funny if it was a joke but it is far from it.

Bob

Originally Posted by unit

I fear it's going to be ugly regardless who wins. The next few years are going to prove interesting no matter what...

I'm reminded of an ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

Originally Posted by mapleleafalumnus

I'm reminded of an ancient Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

Anyone who is alive today has lived in interesting times! If they don't feel that way they either haven't taken enough history, or haven't opened their minds lol.

We always say it, I guess because we are living it - but I really do think these are defining times. I'll be dead before I know how truly defining they really were, but 9/11 sure changed everything compared to pre-9/11 in my life anyway.

Of all registered voters who actually vote, 40% vote Republican for whatever reason(s) each election. 40% vote Democratic each election for whatever reason(s). It's the remaining 20% who truly decide elections. Of that 20%, roughly 40% actually vote.
Wm. "Boss" Tweed had a wonderfully insightful comment: "It's not the voters who decide elections, it's those who actually count the votes."

I really think it will be too close to predict. Unfortunately, the campaign has just degraded into so much negativity no one really knows who stands for what so people either vote for the guy they hate the least or who their political affiliations dictate to them.

Someone very bright once taught me that a vote in presidential election should always be cast for the lesser of two evils.

If you agree with a candidate wholeheartedly, you are a zealot or a gullible idiot (and perhaps both).

I'm not voting for either major party.

Lots of people say that's a wasted vote, but for my ideals a vote for either major party candidate is a wasted vote. If enough people did the same, maybe one of the major parties would take notice.
There was a brief glimmer of hope with the tea-party movement before it got hijacked and turned into a more extreme version of the Republican party.

As to who I think will win: the idiot.

I got to go along with Unit and agree that in elections, and that is anyone's elections, it is always a choice between the lesser of two evils.

As an outsider looking in, I would agree with TBS in that the campaign has degraded badly. So badly from my POV that it is like watching a train wreck seasoned with a bit of banana republic style tactics. Very far from the best America is very capable of.

Our last election had too much of that same flavour for my liking. It must be a trend.

Bob

Originally Posted by unit

If you agree with a candidate wholeheartedly, you are a zealot or a gullible idiot (and perhaps both).

Unit --
Those terms are not mutually exclusive! On the contrary, they're co-dependent!