Thread: Personal Firearms

Originally Posted by bharner

LOL. We may have issues with gun crime down here but at least we have the freedom to own them.
I'd say the bigger issue is the destitute folks in urban areas who don't have anything to lose and who don't have the wherewithal to move out so they turn to crime.
We may lack some of the social safetey nets you Canuks have but I'm not a huge fan of government entitlement programs without massive restrictions on them.

Once someone is used to getting paid just to be alive and/or pop out babies with few restrictions (see our crappy welfare, foodstamps, ssi/ssdi programs in the US) they feel entitled to things because they are used to getting money with no output from them and have no issues taking from others (because the govt is taking from others to keep them alive).

Sorry to go O/T there... but basically we need to just destroy most urban areas in the US and start from scratch

It wasnt over the top its accurate statement. We can own hand guns (i do) but we cant carry them around with us for protection. Its just not as easy to get your hands on one with out jumping through the many goverment hoops.
Bottom line is we need to fix these underline issues that lead up to gun crime. Less guns on the streets equals less gun crime.

Sorry if i hijacked the thread but at least i did it with a keyboard and not a gun.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Around here they don't just rob you. They rob you then they shoot you. I am not exaggerating. I'd rather have a fighting chance than depend on the goodwill of someone who is confronting me with a firearm.

I fully understand,will never be a diffinative answere for sure.
The American sociaty has tanked so perhaps it is time to take up arms.
Do not know the answeres,But from what I have read,countrys that curtail firearms do not have the problems we have in America today.
Is a very complex situation.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Less guns on the streets equals less gun crime.

In the early 1900s NYC enacted the "Sullivan Law" which was the toughest gun law in the USA. The gangs of NY and the roaring twenties weren't far behind. In the early 1930s the federal laws controlling full auto weapons went into effect. I said controlling .... I should have said 'regulating'. Those laws never controlled the use and abuse. Witness the 'cocaine cowboys' of Miami in the 1980s. We have plenty of gun laws and good citizens obey them. All the gun laws in the world aren't an effective deterrent to a criminal whose only concern with the law is how to circumvent it with impunity. "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" may have become a cliché but it is fact nonetheless.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

It wasnt over the top its accurate statement. We can own hand guns (i do) but we cant carry them around with us for protection. Its just not as easy to get your hands on one with out jumping through the many goverment hoops.
Bottom line is we need to fix these underline issues that lead up to gun crime. Less guns on the streets equals less gun crime.

Sorry if i hijacked the thread but at least i did it with a keyboard and not a gun.

While I can't disagree that fewer guns on the street equals less gun crime I'd like to argue that it is easy enough to obtain firearms through less than legal means if someone so desired. And then you have countries like the Nanny States (GB and AUS) that have knife crime issues. Guns are not causing the crimes. Bad people are. Guns are the tools they are choosing to use. Could be knives ; Japan has had a few big knife attacks in the last couple years and I know GB has issues)

...and now back to your regularly scheduled topic

(I like this forum. I have yet to see a spirited discussion stray from civility and gentlemanliness).

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Thats Only a problem if you live in a country with a epidemic of gun crime.

Even where it's not epidemic, it happens. You saw what happened in Scarborough, which is closer to you than it is to me and it's a part of Toronto - One of the safest big cities in the world.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I live in an area where there is an active gang culture. Young men, many times with little education, or parental guidance.

Some of those gangs require an act of murder to get into the gang and a lot of times it can be some random stranger.

Originally Posted by TrilliumLT

Less guns on the streets equals less gun crime.

By arming law-abiding citizens, you're not putting guns on the streets. You think a gangbanger is gonna take the course, apply for his rPAL, register his G17 and then get an ATT in order to go do a driveby?

P.S. To those of you who know me from way back when.. What changed was acquisition of knowledge, a lot of thinking thinking and a bit of maturity (I used to be somewhere between a Fudd and an anti)

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I agree,the right to carry crowd has a thought process that dictates they will come out on top in some sort of faceoff with another who is armed,the reality I feel is that you now have a 50/50 chance of being killed.

I will take a 50/50 chance over a 100% chance, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

Some of those gangs require an act of murder to get into the gang and a lot of times it can be some random stranger.

Less than half mile from where I'm sitting at home typing this, at a local convenience store, two clerks were cooperating with two armed robbers at about 10 PM one night. The camera shows them being murdered by one of the perps without in any way resisting the killer. He was later caught after committing a drive by shooting of a gang member . His gun matched the murder weapon in the previous homicides and he eventually confessed. Turns out he was "making his bones" when he killed the two convenience store clerks ..... the two unarmed convenience store clerks.

Gun control works!

Originally Posted by bharner

Once someone is used to getting paid just to be alive and/or pop out babies with few restrictions (see our crappy welfare, foodstamps, ssi/ssdi programs in the US) they feel entitled to things because they are used to getting money with no output from them and have no issues taking from others (because the govt is taking from others to keep them alive).

The only people who DO agree with these programs are the people milking them!
Well said, Bharner.


Us poor canadians have been brainwashed into thinking guns are the enemy (sorry guys ).
An armed, well trained population will not only have the option to fire if necessary, but also put the fear of god into these newcomer street slime causing havoc on our streets.
At some point I believe we as a population are going to start aquiring firearms for protection, legally or not. The youth of today are growing up playing video games where you can murder 100 people a minute, then kill the police who try to stop you.
AFAIC, guns are the future. I mean, how couldn't they be?
JMHO of course.

Sorry to hijack the thread ..... I get carried away on this stuff.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

Model 12 was/is a great shotgun. I've got this model 1897 takedown riot with 20" cylinder bore. I've always been leery of coming home to someone who could get to it so it stays locked up.

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Jimmy?

Can ya play that one like a trombone? I ran all it dry one afternoon doing that one day for my dad. I was clearing some vines off his back fence.

He thought he'd try it. I warned him to get a GOOD hold with his right hand or his thumb was gonna bleed.

It did.

He won't make that mistake again.

Mine looks pretty much the same as yours. I had a "Black Diamond" version, but it was stolen when I was in 'Nam. THe one I have now, I bought in a pawn shop for $100. It had a Cutts on it and was pretty much unused. Somebody had it apart and didn't get it back together right. The pawn shop guy didn't know and thought it was broke. I paid him, and stood in front of him and put it back together, jacked the slide, grinned and walked out. He called me a naughty name on the way out the door.