Thread: Tamahagane with other kanji???

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I may be mistaken but I believe Tamahgane is a type of steel,not a technique.

You be right. It is a special alloy produced in a special way. As 6 gun said, pricey for the real McCoy.

Originally Posted by DarthLord

The pattern certainly looks like tamehagane; I had the pleasure to spend some time with a sword made in such a manner once and it looked like that. However I'm also noticing scratches; it could be a really clever fake. Maybe a higher magnification...?

The idea of Tamahagane never came in mind in the first place, it's because I honed a layer of it, it became visible,...
The scratches, if you mean the diagonal ones, they will be cleared when finished, or do you mean other scratches?

Thank you, here are some magnifications, hope they work, the finished pics will take a few days I'm afraid...

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Tamahagane steel is a big deal and makes the razor worth much much more, if it were it would be stamped so..

It looks like you were trying to get the Kanji translated I would pursue that route, it would be much more conclusive

Thank you very much for your response! Indeed, I did try, BUT it seems to be a hard one to figure out...
Hopefully the mystery can be solved!
Have you seen such "wave-marks" on razors before?

Deepest respect!

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I hate to show how dumb I am when it comes to this but ........ what features did you discover ? Are we looking at the scratch pattern ? Mainaman can probably tell you as much as anyone on this. Shoot him a PM with a link to the post if he doesn't reply to it soon.

PM send, thank you very much!

Originally Posted by pixelfixed

I may be mistaken but I believe Tamahgane is a type of steel,not a technique.

I believe this threat could help

http://straightrazorpalace.com/japan...amahagane.html

Kindest regards

Originally Posted by DarthLord

pixelfixed, I'll certainly bow to expert knowledge, here; I'm working on the assumption of a relatively accurate Wikipedia article on Tamahagane and my own experience with folded-steel katana. The striations match what I'd seen on folded-steel swords and what research had led me to believe was the telltale sign of traditional manufacture (or, as I said, they could just plain be scratches).
Another alternative is that it's steel from a source other than traditional red sands but still manufactured in the traditional way.
Bugei Trading Company makes swords after this fashion; they use the tamahagane folding method but use old railroad tracks for stock.
Whoever made this kamisori is pretty damn good or an ingenious faker.

The kamisori, in the pic is showing the Omote side where the main steel is actually soft iron, that has been forged enough to form layers.
You get that kind of effect on high quality Japanese forged knives that are not made from tamahagane.

here is a very nice example of the effect:

Originally Posted by mainaman

The kamisori, in the pic is showing the Omote side where the main steel is actually soft iron, that has been forged enough to form layers.
You get that kind of effect on high quality Japanese forged knives that are not made from tamahagane.

here is a very nice example of the effect:

Now that is just beautiful!

Originally Posted by mainaman

The kamisori, in the pic is showing the Omote side where the main steel is actually soft iron, that has been forged enough to form layers.
You get that kind of effect on high quality Japanese forged knives that are not made from tamahagane.

here is a very nice example of the effect:

Very very interesting indeed!

Thanks!

There are several things going on that are immediately visible.
1. It is folded and welded material. No it cannot be said to be tamahagane. That is the raw smelted material. To build up a blade is orogshigane. But "-gane" means steel.
2. There is a scratch pattern from 1100 to 0500 and one from 0200 to 0800 or so. Those are scratches.
3. There is a wave pattern running from 0900 to 0300 that represents the folded material.
4. There could be cracks in the steel. One of the short odd lines runs across all the other patterns from west to east or vice versa.
4a. There are a couple of the longer ones that could be inclusions/flaws between welds/folds. If they are they are non fatal flaws because they don't cross the edge. They aren't pretty but not fatal.

Originally Posted by Fikira

Have you seen such "wave-marks" on razors before?

Deepest respect!

Yes in fact I have seen it on German and American razors too, Folded steel is a process, it is not always Tamahagane
Basically many steels can be folded, but that doesn't make them Tamahagane

Sorta like all Eschers are Thuringens, but not all Thuringens are Eschers