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    As always pics say more that words. With that said, I would presume according to your description the scales are glued at one end but there's a place for a pin??

    Again, pics would be nice to help fill in the blanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cudarunner View Post
    As always pics saw more that words. With that said, I would presume according to your description the scales are glued at one end but there's a place for a pin??

    Again, pics would be nice to help fill in the blanks.
    I'll get some pictures tomorrow and report back,
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajkenne View Post
    Just finished up the scale restoration on this Wade & Butcher FBU 17/16. Had some significant bug bites and delamination but thought they were worthy of restore. Used the “outback method” mixing dark horn with epoxy, sanding then soaking in black hair dye, then soaking in neatsfoot oil. Believe they turned out nicely, and happy to save the original scales. Not able to save brass Bullseye original washers, so will use the large Beehive replicas sanding them down to 1.8mm. Seems to give it a better profile. Polished up the blade a bit removing some oxidation but left some patina to show its age. Will put it back together tonight. Pivot washers are from Terry Bruton, his are the best.
    Cool you are working on the same project I am especially since I bought collars from you for the one I am working on. Did you buy that one on the bay? You may have outbid me on that. If so glad someone here got it. Looks good so far.
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    It’s been a while since I messed with scales with a bonded wedge. Is memory serves me correctly, I slipped the lower washer in and onto the pin, held the other washer on the blade with some sticky grease, likely Vaseline or possibly beeswax, jammed my thumb between the scales to open the slightly put the blade in and gently worked the pin through. It was a tad tricky, also my pin hole in the scales was tight so the pin wouldn’t drop out while monkeying around.
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    I peen one end of the pin. Put the pin thru the hole enough to get all parts on using long nosed plyers to get the washers in. Then finish putting it together. Its not a hard thing to do. The worst part about it is you dont have the ability to shift the wedge end around to help in lining up the blade. So go slow when peening and work the pin end the best you can to get alignment.

    A little wider holes in the scales can give you some extra room for alignment if needed so test fit before going all in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by planeden View Post
    Anyone have advice on installing a pivot washers and blade in a pair of scales that are epoxied together? My best idea so far has been to run thread through everything and pull it together. But that was also complicated and I think needs two people. Maybe contact cement the washers to the blade?

    Another thought is, how important are pivot washers? I figure pretty important to keep things aligned long term and to help drying.

    I guess another option is to cut them apart and make a new wedge.

    Anyway, before a recruit extra hands or do something stupid, figured I'd run it by yall. Thanks.
    I use a Popsicle stick, slid down towards the wedge to hold the scales opened slightly. Then use a pair of tweezers to install the pivot washers during assembly.
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    Use a large rubber eraser to separate the scales. Use the eraser to keep the scales in alignment while pinning the wedge side. I pin on a 6-inch piece of polished small gage railroad track. It is much easier to support the whole scale flat when pinning.

    Once pinned tight or in you case, slide the eraser down to spread the scales to access the pin side and stack the pivot collars, thrust washer and blade, remove the eraser once stacked. I form the head on one side well enough to hold the collar, with the pin held in a drill press Jacobs chuck on the bench with the collar in place, then you only need to fuss with one end. Tweezers help. Once the pin head is formed on the other side, you can flip the pivot back and forth to form the pins equally and to the shape you are after.

    If you are gluing scales together to make wedge-less scales, make sure to taper the wedge side to the proper angle and provide tension or the scales will not bow and be in tension, the pivot will continually come loose and be a pain to strop and you will have no control over where the blade will sit in the scales when closed.

    It is pretty much test fitting by clamping and bolting the pivot to get the right blade height. You still need to measure and mark the blade thickness, with the blade in place where you want the blade to sit in the scales when closed.

    I would make a wedge while the scales are flat, the thickness of the blade where the top of the scales mee the blade, and to the angle of the taper of the tang at the pivot.

    Once the proper angle is established, grind the scales to the same angle as the test wedge and test fit, clamped and bolted. There is a lot more to a wedge than most folks think. Some planning and testing will pay large dividends in the functionality of the scales. Razor scales are much more than just handles or cover for the blade.

    Lately I have been using thrust washer made from PETE, plastic from a water bottle, with a paper punch and small leather punch. They are slick, yet hold tension and do not stain like brass does, especially on transparent and ivory scales. A snap to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulFLUS View Post
    Cool you are working on the same project I am especially since I bought collars from you for the one I am working on. Did you buy that one on the bay? You may have outbid me on that. If so glad someone here got it. Looks good so far.
    Found the W&B FBU locally at an Estate sale. It is slightly less than a 17/16 measures 1.04". Was able to reuse its original wedge. Has a nice look to it.
    Currently working on this blade reshape and straightening the scales on below old Sheffield, Barnes & sons. Previous bad honing caused frown and horn, very ugly. Has a nice smile now and hopefully I am able to get a nice shaving edge on it. May have to do some additional heel work to sit right on the stones.
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    Today i changed the scales on the CJRB penknife.
    It came with micarta which i replaced with Ox horn . White on one side and Black on the other. I could only spare that much white hence the multi colours. I was hoping the black would show some green but it was not to be.
    Finally i made a little leather case..
    Thanks and have a great week ...

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    I've been holding off on posting about this project because I've wanted to wait for the big reveal...but I can hardly contain myself with the excitement.
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    I am so close to finished with it but I don't think I have ever been this stoked about a restoration project so, one little sneak peak.
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    Once I get it completed I'll do a full post from start to finish.
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