Thread: Measles

Fact, NOT "opinion": My son was vaccinated for chicken pox but because he came into contact with it by some irresponsible person who did not vaccinate their child he got a mild case of it anyway. The doctor said it was possible my daughter could then get it also but did not. Even though he was vaccinated he now has the herpes zoster virus and could develope shingles later in life.
Vaccinations are a part of the solution and not the whole. A "practitioner with near perfect results," with "decades experience," should certainly be aware of this. With due respect, that by definition is "not wanting to see."
I value everyone in this forum and do not wish to be adversarial. We as humans are imperfect by our nature, "...of whom I am the worst." On the other hand, we also have a duty as fellow humans not to do harm to others by our actions. That duty is magnified for those taking a solemn oath to "First: do no harm." The physician has 2 duties. One is to safeguard the health and wellness of the individual patient. The other is to safeguard the health and wellness of the public. Part of that duty is to limit the spread of communicable diseases by a series of steps including but not limited to vaccinations against them.

Update on Somoa.
Population is just under 200,000
They have 4,000 ish active case.
Confirmed dead of 62, and expect it to rise over 70. All primary school age children.
It is a tragic and sad situation.

Originally Posted by RezDog

Update on Somoa.
Population is just under 200,000
They have 4,000 ish active case.
Confirmed dead of 62, and expect it to rise over 70. All primary school age children.
It is a tragic and sad situation.

To put that into perspective, that same out break in the US with an estimated population of 330 million for 2019 would have caused:

roughly 6,600,000 infections/cases

roughly 115,500 deaths most of which would be children

Imagine the strain on the health care system and the costs too if that were to happen. It hasn't due mostly to a vaccination program. Disclaimer, my math ain't the greatest so feel free to do your own calculations.

Bob

Very interesting discussion.

When we talk, "climate change", very few people provide the full definition, which is, "man-made climate change".

Take a look at India, China, Pakistan, where we have a population bomb, basically a 3rd of the world's population crammed together - approx 3.5 BILLION PEOPLE. Population of the USA and Canada combined is approx 370 million, we'd barely make two big cities there.

Nature is an efficient housekeeper, and like the Black Plague swept over a third of the population of Europe off the map, it's just a matter of time before something lands in one of these densely packed countries and decimates the population.

As BobH mentioned, with the ability to travel from one side of the globe to the next, we can only hope that vaccinations, and research is kept up when some horror disease lands.

I remember the Swine Flu, my first girlfriend had it and survived, and the more people that don't get vaccinated, the more probability these diseases have a chance to mutate and develop into something far more lethal, which we know has already occured.

I'm in the camp that if you aren't vaccinated, which is fine, your choice, but the consequences are you get homeschooled, and you basically should be quarantined in your own house of community. Your freedom of choice ends at the tip of other people's noses - your choice doesn't mean my consequence.

As for my man-made climate change remark, as long as the population continues to rise exponentially in these countries and the poverty associated with it, the chances for a lethal brew-up increase dramatically, drop that into one of these over-populated, densely packed countries, and the carnage will be unparalleled.

With the rich in these countries ensuing rush to escape, how many hours till it lands here?

FFS, Phrank -- move to Whitehorse or Deadhorse, but beating this "lethal-brew" horse won't help if we don't put a full stop to third-world immigration (besides, none of 'em shave with a straight razor).

Originally Posted by Phrank

I'm in the camp that if you aren't vaccinated, which is fine, your choice, but the consequences are you get homeschooled, and you basically should be quarantined in your own house of community. Your freedom of choice ends at the tip of other people's noses - your choice doesn't mean my consequence.

They used to quarantine you to your house here many years ago if you had a communicable disease. My mother in-law was taking nursing in the late 1930s and could not return home till the quarantine of her parents house was lifted. Her sister had contracted a communicable childhood disease. That meant everyone in the house had to stay in the house till it was over. I'd like to see that happen today.

Bob

Originally Posted by JBHoren

FFS, Phrank -- move to Whitehorse or Deadhorse, but beating this "lethal-brew" horse won't help if we don't put a full stop to third-world immigration (besides, none of 'em shave with a straight razor).

That is exactly why the wealthy countries should look very favourable on ensuring there is a viable immunization program in those other countries. With immigrants, they should be required to have all their shots before entry. To do otherwise by stopping immigration would be akin to the rich using all the life boats on a sinking ship leaving the poor to drown. Sometimes by helping others you are really also helping yourself in the long run. It is not all altruism driven.

Bob

At one time they used to paint a mark on the outside of a house or apartment if certain diseases were there which made quarantine much easier. Of course in those days they didn't have drugs they have now and most folks looked upon hospitals as places of death not healing.

We will always have disease as human's number one enemy and the potential to wipe us out is far greater than any dictator or atomic war or wayward meteor.

Originally Posted by JBHoren

FFS, Phrank -- move to Whitehorse or Deadhorse, but beating this "lethal-brew" horse won't help if we don't put a full stop to third-world immigration (besides, none of 'em shave with a straight razor).

LOL - I'm all for immigration, just make sure everyone gets their shots.

It's the panic and flight to other countries when the plague bomb hits that has me worried, sorry, been a bad, "Andromeda Strain" day, but it's getting close to dinner, so now I'm worried about famine, so did you know Soylent Green is MADE OUT OF PEOPLE!!!!!

Great to hear from you JB!!!! :-)

Originally Posted by BobH

They used to quarantine you to your house here many years ago if you had a communicable disease. My mother in-law was taking nursing in the late 1930s and could not return home till the quarantine of her parents house was lifted. Her sister had contracted a communicable childhood disease. That meant everyone in the house had to stay in the house till it was over. I'd like to see that happen today.

Bob

You might hurt someones feelings!