Thread: Pres. Obama, between a rock and a hard place.

We are in this already. This a seventh inning stretch.

Originally Posted by JMS

Is Obama being cowardly And not being a leader or is he being shrewd and wise?

Shrewd and wise.

I'd be surprised if anybody who has been paying attention to Iran for longer than what's been on the media over the last two weeks thinks seriously that there is a real opposition movement there. Or a democracy for that matter.

The religious leadership in Iran that runs the show there is very much in control of everything in the country and I'd bet that the protests are what they are because they let them be that way.

Of course, the conservatives in US would pick the opposite position of what Obama would do - it's just a show and they don't have any responsibility for any consequences, so their position is purely politically motivated. Just the usual opposition game. When the democrats are in opposition they do exactly the same.

US would most certainly not make a stand for democracy in Iran, China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else in the world where the gains of doing so don't outweigh the costs by a large margin. It makes no difference who is in charge, that's just how you run a country, business, etc.. I don't think this should be news to anybody.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Are you suggesting that the US intervene to stop the government to from suppressing the opposition?

So you would have been fine with a foriegn country intervening on behalf of southern blacks during the Civil Rights movement here? Or how about when Government marched on the Bonus Army during the Hoover administration? Or perhaps during the Civil War?

This conflict is Iran's problem, and there is nothing the US can do that will make it better.

I am making no such suggestion. Read the quoted post below as I think you must have missed it.

Originally Posted by JMS

Originally Posted by pio View Post
so what?
its their problem...not ours...
let them deal with it...

its time for us to stop messing around with the rest of the world when we have tons of problems here!

.What I am saying pio is that if we as a nation use the above thinking to not involve ourselves into problems around the world then we as a nation are lower than worms!
We should do what we do based on what is right and best for all involved, not because we can't be bothered.

Understand this, I am not saying I know what is right here I just know that decisions made by the above logic is wrong and selfish And I could never trust anyone who would use that sort of logic.

Originally Posted by gugi

Of course, the conservatives in US would pick the opposite position of what Obama would do - it's just a show and they don't have any responsibility for any consequences, so their position is purely politically motivated. Just the usual opposition game. When the democrats are in opposition they do exactly the same.

If you are talking about elected officials, i agree for the most part. If you mean conservatives I can not say the same.

Originally Posted by Del1r1um

If you are talking about elected officials, i agree for the most part. If you mean conservatives I can not say the same.

Must say that I agree

Obama is right on the money. He's applying the old saying "Don't bite off more than what you can chew" (North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Rusia, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc, etc)
He needs to concentrate on creating jobs and giving us a solid health care plan.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

Iran having a nuke is a non-issue. Think about it. Iran has a nuke. Who will they use it on? What would be the consequences? Iran came into the game too late. They need a hell of a lot more than a couple of nuclear warheads. What they need is an ally with an arsenal the size of Russia, or China to allow them to use a warhead on someone with no nuclear weapons, otherwise, the US will nuke them.

Look at North Korea. They continue to be in a state of war with their neighbor to the south. The war has never officially ended, but is in a cease fire. They have detonated at least one nuke, and are in a position to drop one on South Korea at any time. Have they done so? No! And why not? Because they know what the consequences would be, as does Iran.

If you ask me, Iran doesn't really want a nuke, what they want is to keep the western powers nervous. It turns out that this was all Saddam wanted as well. It's a lot cheaper to pretend that you're developing a nuclear weapon than it is to actually develop one, and the end result is the same, your neighbors fear you.

I can't agree. In the world as it now is it's not that N Korea or Iran will start a war with us or any other Western nation. All they have to do is give a terrorist a small tactical nuclear weapon which could fit in a suitcase, ship it to a country say England put it in a truck, drive it downtown London and set it off. It could take out a few square blocks kill thousands and make the city uninhabitable for an eternity and eventually kill millions through cancer. That is the real threat. Just try tracing that back to any singular country.

Originally Posted by Navaja

Obama is right on the money. He's applying the old saying "Don't bite off more than what you can chew" (North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Rusia, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc, etc)
He needs to concentrate on creating jobs and giving us a solid health care plan.

This does not sound like the Navaja we all know and love! Who got to you?

Originally Posted by Navaja

Obama is right on the money. He's applying the old saying "Don't bite off more than what you can chew" (North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Rusia, Cuba, Venezuela, Bolivia, etc, etc)
He needs to concentrate on creating jobs and giving us a solid health care plan.

since it's difficult to interpret tone in a post, let me say that this is lighthearted...

But do you think either of those problems (jobs and healthcare) are going to be easy to chew?

I say stay away

all we could do is defile a basically pure movement







defile it like a little tattooed Belgian girl :0



...whatever