Thread: Pres. Obama, between a rock and a hard place.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

All the points Bruno has made, plus the fact that Obama doesn't have the balls to get in there anyway.

well...the ex president had the "balls" and look how it turned out...

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

plus the fact that Obama doesn't have the balls to get in there anyway.

A weary Bush marches through enemy territory near the Iraq-Kuwait border.

Is this what you have in mind? "Having the balls" to "get in there"? Puh-leeeze.

Originally Posted by Bruno

There WAS a democratic government in Iran in 1953.
Dwight Eisenhower told the CIA to go ahead with operation Ajax and help topple the govenment, in return for agreements about oil. That's how much the US government likes democracy.

Actually, I was going to mention that, but in the interest of keeping my post shorter I cut that out. But clearly, that fact demonstrates how the US is better at toppling democratic governments than it is in establishing them.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

Wow has Bruno ever saved me a lot of writing here.

All the points Bruno has made, plus the fact that Obama doesn't have the balls to get in there anyway.

I don't think it's really a question of "Balls" (if by "balls" you mean bravery). Bush had zero balls (he avoided service in Viet Nam). Instead, what he had was a total lack of shame. He had no qualms about lying in order to get congressional support to send the children of the working class to fight a war in Iraq. I noticed his kids weren't at the recuiters office on their 18th birthday, and neither were the kids of the boards of directors of all the major oil companies.

Puh-leeeez indeed.

Yeah, those are rather decisions to be made with ratio than with guts.

Originally Posted by igitur55

A weary Bush marches through enemy territory near the Iraq-Kuwait border.

Is this what you have in mind? "Having the balls" to "get in there"? Puh-leeeze.

#1
Bush liberated 50 million Muslims. (minus lots of Afghans)
Obama zero (and he will have a chance in trashkanistan and Pakistan because those two aren't going away)

#2
I might avoid a war if I didn't agree with the pretenses.
A draft is one thing, volunteering is entirely another.
Which brings me to #3

#3
Anyone who enlists in the service has issued Uncle Sam a blank check, redeemable at any time, up to and including their life.
Period.
Anyone in the service who disagrees should have studied their history, and their enlistment papers.

Originally Posted by joesixpack

.... to send the children of the working class to fight a war in Iraq.

glad to see classism is still alive and well



No one here thinks Iraq is at least slightly inspiring to the Iranian people?

You don't think the Iranian people realize the the wackos in power are still trying to destabilize the region?

Do you think the majority of Iranians want a nuclear war with Israel?

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

#1
Bush liberated 50 million Muslims. (minus lots of Afghans)
Obama zero (and he will have a chance in trashkanistan and Pakistan because those two aren't going away)

I can only hope you have asked them all if they feel liberated?

Originally Posted by gregs656

I can only hope you have asked them all if they feel liberated?

would they have the life experience to give and intelligible answer?


My Russian friend Vlad comes to mind, as we talked about liberation from Communism and how Putin figures into current affairs.
He said
" Gorbachev tell Russian people "You are now free to do what you want" but you can not tell Russian people to do whatever they want, they do whatever they want !!
It was crazy for a while and people are glad Putin is enforce."

that was his reply concerning Putin's domestic policy
I suspect many of the liberated people can't tell, and wouldn't be able to give you a good answer.

Oh I'd not under estimate them!
Usually they know where the bread is.

Comparing them with Russians or their situation switching from communism to capitalism is impossible.
Muslims are all another thing.
I always realize that when they throw stones after my cat.

Originally Posted by gratewhitehuntr

would they have the life experience to give and intelligible answer?

Well, that's it isn't. You're going to base your answer on your life experience, that is the point.

There will be people who don't believe you or I are very liberated, but who cares because we BELIEVE we are (or maybe we don't?), it's like someone trying to guess another mans quality of life - that is an impossible task because we all use different measures.

Two phrases that come to mind, that are based on a similar idea are

Ones mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist, and one mans trash is another mans treasure.

It's all about perspective, IMO, you can't say he 'liberated' any one, not unless you have asked them, for the same reason you can't say they have a better quality of life.

And also, don't EVER assume you are better place to judge.