Thread: Organizations with the specific intent to bring christianity to its ultimate demise..

Originally Posted by Miner123

But we are a very Socialist country today, and becoming more Socialist by the week. People who lived under Communist and Facist rule say that America is heading in that direction. I believe them. We are no longer free in this country. You can say it and sing about it, but it isn't true.

I think we are in the wrong thread with this issue, and i have no reason to argue with you on this; you who live in the USA have of course much more better view on what is happening there.
However i think also that you have a long way to go before ending up to this list:

List of self-declared socialist countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by JMS

Reason...Supreme reason not supreme being

No no. The Culte de la Raison (Reason) was Jacques Hebert.
The cult of the Supreme Being devised by Robespierre was a form of deism just not Catholicism.

Originally Posted by Sailor

I think we are in the wrong thread with this issue, and i have no reason to argue with you on this; you who live in the USA have of course much more better view on what is happening there.
However i think also that you have a long way to go before ending up to this list:

List of self-declared socialist countries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sailor, I agree. Socialism/Communism is not exactly a friend of Christianity.
It's eradication is a goal or a plank in their system. That was my point.

Originally Posted by JMS

three things I would like to see out of this thread:
1) A friendly and honest discussion on the intentional actions by some movements and groups (secular in nature and not religious)to bring to end the christian religion.

2)a list, if at all possible, of modern movements with the stated purpose of discrediting and/or bringing to an end the christian religion. These must be verifiable and not something that you heard from a friend of a friend.

3)Polite and friendly discourse between all participants.

It's good that you stated the intent or goal of the thread so specifically, the focus has seemed to turn towards political or phylosophical groups like communism. I don't even know that discrediting or bringing to an end Christianity is a specific goal or intent of communism though, it is more like an incidental 'benifit' brought about by attrition through the progressive control and oppression of the people under Communism, but if so then like I think BillyJeff pointed out it didn't even work out under Marx's biggest 'success' either. I do somewhat digress that 'discrediting' the Bible is a specific goal of Communism but not specifically bringing Christianity to an end. Like the guys ahead of me said, it's certainly no friend to Christianity.
And the way that you have stated it so nice and specific (the 'bringing it to it's ultimate demise' part), I haven't heard of any group that states it so bluntly. Even groups like American Atheists and ACP don't do that, rather they push for their own interests or state that they 'strongly oppose' religion, not even necessarily Christianity in particular. Of course they very well may not state it so openly and bluntly only because it may get them in hot water legally or to avoid a fire storm of the negative everything that it would bring upon them.

One of the main tenants of Russian communism was the extinction of religion. It was illegal to be Christian and to worship God in communist Russia. The communist party actually had gangs of soldiers, basically swat teams on call to break up prayer meetings and arrest all those present, if they lived through the violent break-up of the meeting. These soldiers were taught that Christians were the enemy's of the state and deserving of death.

You may have an air tight case here Mark. Could be that the only groups with such a goal are religious in nature.

And to elaborate on a comment made earlier, for those of you who may not know or those who just may have never heard or noticed, or don't want to think that it is true, there is an old saying in Christianity referring in part to the fact that in the Bible a Christian is identified as a soldier (and I would say that sadly that is not what most people think of when they think of Christians) and an 'army' in Revelation 19:19, told to 'Put on the whole armour of God' and to 'endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ', but the old saying is this - "The Lord's army is the only army that shoots it's own wounded."

Originally Posted by Wildtim

One of the main tenants of Russian communism was the extinction of religion. It was illegal to be Christian and to worship God in communist Russia. The communist party actually had gangs of soldiers, basically swat teams on call to break up prayer meetings and arrest all those present, if they lived through the violent break-up of the meeting. These soldiers were taught that Christians were the enemy's of the state and deserving of death.

I think you're just misinformed, these are demonstrably false.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

And to elaborate on a comment made earlier, for those of you who may not know or those who just may have never heard or noticed, or don't want to think that it is true, there is an old saying in Christianity referring in part to the fact that in the Bible a Christian is identified as a soldier (and I would say that sadly that is not what most people think of when they think of Christians) and an 'army' in Revelation 19:19, told to 'Put on the whole armour of God' and to 'endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ', but the old saying is this - "The Lord's army is the only army that shoots it's own wounded."

Do you also have some info how the Quran refers to the muslims? In particular any soldiering parts. May be it'll make an interesting comparison.
As far as the christianity, if it's based around 'christ' wouldn't his view on christians be superseding to that of the author of Revelation, which is supposedly long after christ was killed.

Originally Posted by gugi

Do you also have some info how the Quran refers to the muslims? In particular any soldiering parts. May be it'll make an interesting comparison.
As far as the christianity, if it's based around 'christ' wouldn't his view on christians be superseding to that of the author of Revelation, which is supposedly long after christ was killed.

Not meaning to get off thread (thanks Ivan ). (Breath in, breath out, polite and friendly Mark requested). (Just kidding Ivan). Of course the soldiering for the Muslim is the most part taken literally and physically. The Christian's soldiering, though in this present physical state, is actually a spiritual battle at this current time - Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. But will one day be an actual literal physical visible battle - check the verse Revelation 19:19 that I referred to earlier, we are not coming back alone or on our own, we are going to be following 'SOMEBODY', we are going to be with 'SOMEBODY'.

Originally Posted by ControlFreak1

. (Breath in, breath out, polite and friendly Alex requested).

You aren't calling me Alex are you? X was speaking first to Alex aka LXEmergency. I then responded to that post. Maybe thats your confusion. My name is Mark. I would tell you X's name but he swore me to secrecy and promised to keep me well stocked with Unibrowes Maudite. Hint Hint X