Thread: BIN LADEN Killed by US forces.

Originally Posted by Hirlau

First of all, "Yes I have."

You call our troops invaders, killers of women and children; then you try to paint yourself a Patriot!
I've dealt with your kind before.
We have nothing in common.

John

You do know that the man you are talking to is NOT a US citizen? That there are members here from nations all over the world, who have to deal with the consequences of US actions? So it is entirely possible that he is a truer patriot than any, and STILL disagree with you.

In addition, there are certain facts that you should not dispute: The US did, beyond the shadow of a doubt, invade two (2) sovereign nations in the aftermath of September 11th.

As a consequence, there have been thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other nations. Civilians are innocent bystanders, in war, and many of them have been women and children.

Me, I'm an American, so believe what you want about me, but at least be honest about what your patriotism costs the world.

I guess Osama had it coming. I am not sorry for him at all.
His killing might have symbolic value, but unfortunately he became a martyr too. For years he was just a symbolic leader of Taleban, not the brains. So i am afraid that war isn't over.

I have no sympathies for Taleban or anyone who is trying to kill innocent people, be it Muslim or Christian or whatever. Still i can little understand, but not accept that there are people who do not like us westerns. I've been three times on a foreign command and lost some of my closest friends there. I've been trying to see both sides of the coin. Understanding that the world isn't black and white. The fact remains that not everything we (western nations) have done is so nice. By helping other nations we've also had our black moments causing innocent people to die sometimes, making it possible for new freedom fighters, or terrorists, to have their reasons to dislike us. Hope the politicians will learn this some day.
That said, i do nod feel sorry for terrorist named Osama. He had it coming.

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Originally Posted by jcsixx

BIN LADEN Killed by US forces.

amen..........

Originally Posted by JimR

You do know that the man you are talking to is NOT a US citizen? That there are members here from nations all over the world, who have to deal with the consequences of US actions? So it is entirely possible that he is a truer patriot than any, and STILL disagree with you.

In addition, there are certain facts that you should not dispute: The US did, beyond the shadow of a doubt, invade two (2) sovereign nations in the aftermath of September 11th.

As a consequence, there have been thousands of civilian casualties in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and other nations. Civilians are innocent bystanders, in war, and many of them have been women and children.

Me, I'm an American, so believe what you want about me, but at least be honest about what your patriotism costs the world.

Actually, I did not realize that he was not from the U.S. That may explain his extreme views toward our troops. It still does not change my thoughts on those views.

I don't have a personal issue with you. Had I been around this forum to chalk up 1000 + posts, you would understand me a little better, also.

To some of your comments:
There are even more nations around this world who have benefited from U.S. actions.
America was invaded to on 911; you remember that day as well?
If invaders of our country flee to other nations or train in other nations, they are fair game, my friend.
No country does more to avoid civilian casualties than the U.S. A FACT that you cannot deny.

I've been more than honest here. Probably should have stayed out of this thread. No doubt that I am now a target for at least two moderators.

John

Why argue the moralities of war? There are none. If someone does something immoral, you have to do something immoral to reprimand him.

Does that make it right? who decides? Why bother asking?

Philosophy has little real worth. Sometimes you have to punish somebody when they don't deserve it to maintain a stable civilization, for good or bad, that's the way it is. I have a friend, he hit a guy with his truck, it was 1 in the morning and raining so hard it started filling up the bed of my pickup on the drive to the scene of the accident. visibility was nil. The man died. It was an accident. do I think he deserved to be charged with manslaughter for it? No. But the mans sons and daughters did. Can you imagine the chaos if he hadn't gone to court for it? Now imagine it on a national level.

Originally Posted by JimmyHAD

I think that some people who are not from the USA, are seeing this in a philosophical light. They may disagree with American foreign policy. There is nothing wrong with that. OTOH, for us here, this is a visceral event. It is tantamount to the news that Hitler died in his bunker. The three worst days in my life were the day that JFK was killed, the day my mother died, and 9-11-01. There is nothing philosophical in the gut of Americans today when they celebrate the death of this mass murderer.

Hey Jimmy, I don't think his death is inappropriate, and neither do I begrudge people being glad about his death and having an extra drink to celebrate. The death of a self confessed mass murderer is something to celebrate, the death of 4000 civilians is not.

However, I am indeed a bit philosophical about things. About the attack on the twin towers as well.
On 9/11, 4000 civilians died in a terrorist attack, and 25000 died of starvation in Africa because the worls just doesn't give a **** and prefers to keep the continent embroiled in a civil war so that the various superpowers can continue to suck it dry of ores and minerals for the price of a couple of boxes of guns instead of paying market value.

And the next day, another 25000 died of starvation.
And the next day. And the next day...

I really don't mean disrespect. It's just that not being American means I don't feel personally attacked, and those 4000 deaths, while not insignificant, are not more pressing to me than the thousands still dying every day.

i just hope that noone gets any brainy ideas to attack america because we took there hero away from them.

Originally Posted by Utopian

Too bad. I was hoping he could have been captured so that Rush Limbaugh's suggestion from a few years ago could have been done. Now I don't normally agree with much the man "with intelligence on loan from God" has to say, but I liked the idea of capturing him, performing a sex change operation on him, and releasing him into the general population of a prison.

I only wish we could have done that, and wish him the best of luck, i think his rear would be busyer than a test bench at a toliet plunger factory.

As for is it real or not: no brainer. Yes he is dead. Obama would not dare announce it if he didn't have ironclad confirmation. Because if he wasn't dead, then by inference he is alive. After all if he still lives he would appear on tv next week commenting on that weekend's bears game.

The burial at sea is common sense. It's similar to what the Russians did with Hitlers body. Make it disappear in a way that there is not going to be a gravesite for pilgrimage. Now he is just gone. Keeping it secret was also not an option because it would leak out one way or another. Too many people are involved.

Originally Posted by MickR

Sad really, that people are dancing and cheering in the streets. Why not hold a huge placard up that reads, 'I hate effing Muslims and I dare ya to come and blow something else up!'

You do realize that the majority of Americans are not the card carrying morons that you and many others like to stereotype them as, right?

To me this is good news, read into the effects of what will happen all you want. Another hate-mongering mass murderer is dead. Don't see how that is a bad thing.

Also, to your earlier comment equating civilian collateral damage in war with hijacking a plane full of civilians and flying it into buildings full of civilians (as well as the Pentagon) - you don't see how that is possibly just a tiny bit different?