Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by Sailor

To me that is the heart of this problem. Not gun ownership per se. What makes some people choose violence when some other do not. No matter if you are a good guy or bad guy.

Yeah I agree, gun issues/disagreements aside. There is clearly a more fundamental thing that is different here. Is this off topic?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

And there in lies the true problem with the USA...

I and most every American could tell you exactly what the problem is but the answer would not be PC and therefore we are not allowed to bring it up over here.. Our Politicains can't fix what they can't talk about...

The only PC answer I can give is that our problem like many other countries starts in the breakdown of the "Nuclear Family" ie: A parent at home raising the kids while the other parent provides...

I like this idea, it makes sense. There has been discussion in the media here about single parent families and how it's imbalanced and not quite right. David Cameron (my choice of PM) wants to make marriage worth more. He believes in "nuclear family" although I haven't ever heard that term before. He is trying to introduce tax breaks for married couples, and to make it pay to hold a family together. Controversial, but it concurs with your idea of the reason things can go wrong. Regarding "PC-ness" if it's a spade ... call it a spade

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Where did you get your 89% figure from?

From the Telegraph: Gun Crime Doubles In A Decade

There were 9,865 firearm offences in 2007/08, a rise of 89 per cent on the 5,209 recorded in 1998/99.

And in the Dailymail: "Culture Of Violence" cites the same figures.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Pretty much England had and continues to have a low crime rate, nothing wrong there, except when you try and attribute it to your Gun Laws, as that just isn't the truth.
I find your complete faith in a state sponsered Media outlet somehow unsettling in this day and age, sorry it just feels Fahrenheit 451 ish to me honestly kinda gives me the Heebie Jeebies

Like most countries, the UK has a much lower rate in gun violence than the US, but note that the overall (violent and non-violent) crime rate per capita is actually a bit higher in the UK - 85 per 1000, vs. 80 per 1000.

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...7_Firearms_Act)

Originally Posted by HamburgO

From the Telegraph "Gun Crime Doubles In A Decade ":

There were 9,865 firearm offences in 2007/08, a rise of 89 per cent on the 5,209 recorded in 1998/99.

And in the Dailymail: "Culture Of Violence" cites the same figures.

I did not find those numbers my chart cut off at 2006,, Interesting

Originally Posted by gssixgun

And there in lies the true problem with the USA...

I and most every American could tell you exactly what the problem is but the answer would not be PC and therefore we are not allowed to bring it up over here.. Our Politicains can't fix what they can't talk about...

The only PC answer I can give is that our problem like many other countries starts in the breakdown of the "Nuclear Family" ie: A parent at home raising the kids while the other parent provides...

It's absolutely PC. Whether the mother stays at home or the father stays at home, one parent needs to stay at home, take care of the household and raise the children. However, you won't be able to bring that about without swinging a little left, and that ain't happenin' in the good ol' US of A where the hard right is seen as "communists" by the even harder right and there are no other choices.

A point to consider regarding US firearms owner resistence to what may appear to be reasonable legislation is that many firearms owners have ample cause to wonder whether proposed firearms legislation has them rather than criminals as its target, either deliberately or through ineptness. This is not a case of unreasoned fear and suspicion, but is based on demonstrable fact. Since 1998 when the US state of Massachusetts enacted very burdensome firearms laws, the number of licensed Massachusetts firearms owners has declined by about 85 percent. Most of the 85 % are upstanding law abiding citizens. The legislation had the effect of stripping lawful firearms owners of their rights through making it difficult and costly to traverse the complicated legal maze of requirements with arbitrary bureaucritic judgements and because of the harsh penalties for deliberate or accidental transgression. A person who is trying to comply with the law and has accidentally committed a firearms offense as his only charge may be threatened with a mandatory 1 year minimum incarceration sentence while the career criminal has his firearms charges dropped as an incentive to accept a plea bargan deal on his other offensives. The 85 % former Massachusetts firearms owners will not likely be able to educate their children regarding the proper use of firearms and their children may never understand the importance of their 2d amendment rights. I have moved permanently to New Hampshire where the state motto is "Live Free or Die".

Originally Posted by FiReSTaRT

It's absolutely PC. Whether the mother stays at home or the father stays at home, one parent needs to stay at home, take care of the household and raise the children. However, you won't be able to bring that about without swinging a little left, and that ain't happenin' in the good ol' US of A where the hard right is seen as "communists" by the even harder right and there are no other choices.

To bring back the 'nuclear family values' would be probably good step (imho) but the breakdown has happened all over the world from here to China, Russia, EU and USA.
There must be more than just that if you look at the crime rates but i'm not the one to tell what. Poor politics might/might not be a part of the problem, but it's ordinary people doing these things. I'm not interested in lunatics because as a pessimist i believe that there will always be new wackos to come.
I'm more interested why ordinary people choose violence and others do not. Ordinary, nice and decent people who in the next moment tell that they are happy to shoot a bad guy. Or a bad guy who thinks it is ok to kill someone to get what he wants. That is most unusual way of thinking from my cultural point of view.

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lovely read about how laws to stop one thing hurt everyone else. Ice cream trucks banned for 40 years because some were selling drugs out of them. Already a crime to sell drugs, but they had to take away the ice cream too! No one can have ice cream from the truck because someone's unattended kid could be hit by a car on the way across to get an ice cream.

Food for thought. pun intended.

All these foreigners wanting to take guns away from the US.