Thread: Pondering......

Originally Posted by scap99

I, truly, believe that most crime, committed with a firearm, is because someone made a prior conscience decision to grab a gun and use it to forcibly take someone's property and/or life.

You are right with this. But what makes it so easy to make such a decision?
Doesn't happen that much in other countries.
What makes it ok for a bad guy or cop/good guy to shoot to kill?

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

I disagree, I feel that capitalism is a way of understanding the human condition so it can be exploited. These new "right to work" laws are capitalistic (new word made up here you saw it first lol). They empower the corporations against the civilians. You are right some people have been pulled out of poverty, what about the many more that are emerging into poverty because of a lack of jobs.

Nobody has an excuse to be in poverty in England. You can be poor, but you will never need for anything. The only people who will need are those who can't follow the rules. There is, for example, free housing for the homeless ... providing they stay drug free. If they can't stay drug free (and believe me there is TONS of help) on the streets they go.

LOL - well - sorry - I got excited. It's clear you don't know the numbers. I answered it in my post in an edit.

I am glad you feel for your fellow human - but your way of caring is a bit different than mine, and that's cool.

The answer as to why I think you are way off in left field is because I know you don't know the facts and you are seemingly ok with that. Moreover, you are ok or think all should "follow the rules" - tools! And then you too can live in relative squalor but want for nothing.

We all play by the rules brother... some systems however, allow you to be more innovate than others - I don't want to live in one that seeks the death of my creativity and intellect for the many... is all. YMMV.

Originally Posted by Sailor

You are right with this. But what makes it so easy to make such a decision?
Doesn't happen that much in other countries.
What makes it ok for a bad guy or cop/good guy to shoot to kill?

What makes it legally ok?
Depends on your jurisdiction

What makes it morally ok?
Your life or another's was in immediate danger

Originally Posted by earcutter

LOL - well - sorry - I got excited. It's clear you don't know the numbers. I answered it in my post in an edit.

I am glad you feel for your fellow human - but your way of caring is a bit different than mine, and that's cool.

The answer as to why I think you are way off in left field is because I know you don't know the facts and you are seemingly ok with that. Moreover, you are ok or think all should "follow the rules" - tools! And then you too can live in relative squalor but want for nothing.

We all play by the rules brother... some systems however, allow you to be more innovate than others - I don't want to live in one that seeks the death of my creativity and intellect for the many... is all. YMMV.

All I can add is:
"Who is John Galt?"

Originally Posted by earcutter

LOL - well - sorry - I got excited. It's clear you don't know the numbers. I answered it in my post in an edit.

I am glad you feel for your fellow human - but your way of caring is a bit different than mine, and that's cool.

The answer as to why I think you are way off in left field is because I know you don't know the facts and you are seemingly ok with that. Moreover, you are ok or think all should "follow the rules" - tools! And then you too can live in relative squalor but want for nothing.

We all play by the rules brother... some systems however, allow you to be more innovate than others - I don't want to live in one that seeks the death of my creativity and intellect for the many... is all. YMMV.

Well, since one of the only exports from the UK is intelligence ... I think socialism may foster innovation, and thinking more than most societies . The UK is socialist to a great extent, capitalism is still fostered there too. The two political methodologies work well together.
Not everyone plays by the rules, I wish they would. I don't want communism as it is today, I want it like it was meant to be. Jesus, I bet the feds are on their way over "PUT YOUR HANDS UP AND KICK OVER YOUR GREENCARD" lol.

Originally Posted by scap99

All I can add is:
"Who is John Galt?"

NICE lol!

For those who don't know - "As the plot unfolds, Galt is acknowledged to be a creator, philosopher, and inventor who symbolizes the power and glory of the human mind. He serves as a principled counterpoint to the collectivist social and economic structure depicted in the novel. The depiction portrays a society based on oppressive bureaucratic functionaries and a culture that embraces stifling mediocrity and egalitarianism, which the novel associates with socialistic idealism."

Originally Posted by straightrazorheaven

Well, since one of the only exports from the UK is intelligence ... I think socialism may foster innovation, and thinking more than most societies . The UK is socialist to a great extent, capitalism is still fostered there too. The two political methodologies work well together.
Not everyone plays by the rules, I wish they would. I don't want communism as it is today, I want it like it was meant to be. Jesus, I bet the feds are on their way over "PUT YOUR HANDS UP AND KICK OVER YOUR GREENCARD" lol.

Well now you are back to socialism - and I too come from a country that embraces a bit more than that of some. But don't ever fool yourself - have a look at your banks brother:

Top Banks in the World

Great Britain exports a whole lot oh capitalism itself - other than intellectual property lol.

Oh and congrats on your Green Card! That tells me you come from some affluence. Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by earcutter

NICE lol!

For those who don't know - "As the plot unfolds, Galt is acknowledged to be a creator, philosopher, and inventor who symbolizes the power and glory of the human mind. He serves as a principled counterpoint to the collectivist social and economic structure depicted in the novel. The depiction portrays a society based on oppressive bureaucratic functionaries and a culture that embraces stifling mediocrity and egalitarianism, which the novel associates with socialistic idealism."



Well now you are back to socialism - and I too come from a country that embraces a bit more of that than some as well. But don't ever fool yourself - have a look at your banks brother:

Top Banks in the World

Great Britain exports a whole lot oh capitalism itself - other than intellectual property lol.

Oh and congrats on your Green Card! That tells me you come from some affluence. Am I wrong?

Oh Hell I understand they do a lot of the old dirty stuff. From my years at university I have come to understand how much is exported in the form of research. UK needs to have a little more industry but that's tough without having full blown capitalism because the country is too restrictive for most corporations.

Originally Posted by scap99

What makes it legally ok?
Depends on your jurisdiction

What makes it morally ok?
Your life or another's was in immediate danger

That is what is the difference. Even in highly unlikely case i would face burglars i wouldn't be afraid of my life. That just doesn't happen here.
It's not kill or be killed. If i lived there i would probably think different.

Now, i've been in a military for about 25 years and probably know about using and handling guns more than you.
I own guns but i've never even imagined storing them at home. I wouldn't want to face a situation when killing a bad guy or in the wst case some of my family members accidentially.

Last time when the cop was shot was 1997 and even then the killer was foreigner. Cops nor criminals do not shoot people even every year.

But as said, it's a different country. You should try to think how to make yourselves a place where you do not need to live in fear of a boogey man.

Originally Posted by Sailor

That is what is the difference. Even in highly unlikely case i would face burglars i wouldn't be afraid of my life. That just doesn't happen here.
It's not kill or be killed. If i lived there i would probably think different.

Now, i've been in a military for about 25 years and probably know about using and handling guns more than you.
I own guns but i've never even imagined storing them at home. I wouldn't want to face a situation when killing a bad guy or in the wst case some of my family members accidentially.

Last time when the cop was shot was 1997 and even then the killer was foreigner. Cops nor criminals do not shoot people even every year.

But as said, it's a different country. You should try to think how to make yourselves a place where you do not need to live in fear of a boogey man.

I've been an avid shooter for close to 20 years, so it's a toss up on who's more well versed.

Gun owners don't live in fear...I think that's where the disconnect is.
Think of a gun like a parachute. Much better to have and never need, than to need and never have.

I've only really needed a gun to stop a crime once, and I didn't have it, so I made due with a knife. I still walked away with my wallet and person intact, and I didn't have to gut some kid that didn't know any better. Perhaps he reflected on how close he came to dying that day.

Originally Posted by Sailor

You should try to think how to make yourselves a place where you do not need to live in fear of a boogey man.

I do not fear the boogey man, because I am the boogey man...

Or at least that's what the intruders will think!