Thread: What are you working on?

I'll have to read the earlier posts, but thanks for the tips Jerry.
And yeah, there are some small engines like chainsaws that ethanol gas will kill if you aren't careful. I guess because of the carburetor like you said.

Originally Posted by Gasman

I just reread my post from last night. I dont want anyone to think that i know everything about fuel. I haul it around all day and night, but ive done my own tests with it. As some of you also have done. Ethanol is a good thing for enjected engines, but as Mike/Outback has said, its just bad for any vehicle or machine that runs with a carb. It does bring the octain levels up so that most fuels now are what we call a base fuel and lower octaine. And this is easier and cost less to make. Savings all around for the makers of fuel and goverments.

As a side note, some transporters of fuel will have there own storage tanks and buy fuel in bulk for storage. In these tanks they will add other things to the fuel. Sometimes it is bad stuff that others pay them to get rid of. Its mixed in the gas at a low percentage so that your vehicle will burn it and not notice.
This add to the quantity of fuel and they make money on bother ends. Paid to get rid of the junk and more quantity. I know of a couple of these places and try to stay away from buying where there fuel is delivered. I cant say it has caused issues with vehicles but i dont want to take the chance in mine.

So fuel marked at an octaine is that octaine, but you just dont know what else might be in it. And tbose little mom and pop store you run across, try to stay away from. Fuel doesnt sell fast enough. It sits to long and the tank gets stale. They order there own fuel and many times i will deliver a full load or regular to these places and find they dont have enough room in the tank to hold it all. They then tell me to put the rest in the Premium tank. So when your paying extra for Premium, it might not be.

Buy from stations that sell lots of fuel and are busy. You will get fresh fuel and you will get what you think you are getting.

I knew it!! I just knew it.!! Them conniving M F ers. That's what's left in these carbs....the additives!!! They look like crystals once the gas dries up.

The low speed jet in most small outboard carbs are so small, we use a single strand of 16 gauge wire to clear them out. I mean small, like a fly fart would get stuck in them, small. The ethenol is as much a problem as the additives.

Now they ( EPA ) have made the boat companies put catilitic converters on inboard engines, which in turn made them put water passages into the fuel pumps. The increase of temp caused by these converters has increased the problem of vapor locking the system.

Were also seeing that the computers don't like the excessive heat either, and their doing the same thing as with the fuel system. As pollution goes...what ever oil and gas that gets into the water, floats to the top and is evaporated or absorbed into the shoreline soil. There's more contaminates coming from the tow vehicles using the boat ramps, than there is coming from boat engines.

I see nothing wrong with trying to keep things clean, but the EPA seems to always go to far, and don't focus on the effect of recourse to their actions. Just hate them...

Does anyone know if there are any additives out there that would negate the effects of ethanol?

Pete <:-}

Mike,

My new LAWN MOWER (a push type) has a Catalytic Muffler/not converter.

Originally Posted by outback

There's more contaminates coming from the tow vehicles using the boat ramps, than there is coming from boat engines.

I see nothing wrong with trying to keep things clean, but the EPA seems to always go to far, and don't focus on the effect of recourse to their actions. Just hate them...

Huge statement that the tow vehicles are polluting more than the boats themselves.
I believe that stat Mike, just scary to think how dirty our land really is from all those 100s of thousands of vehicles out there..
The new 4 stroke inboards are technical marvels from the few I’ve ridden in. And loads of cup holders too!

I'm not really worried about our vehicles. They are all injected.
All my power equipment, two tractors, mower, weed whacker, chain saw, have carburetors.
The only ethanol free gas a available in Massachusetts is VP race fuel. Not budget friendly to use in power equipment.

Pete <:-}

This is eerily reminiscent of the fluoride deception played on Americans. Plenty of science if you don't know you should read about it. It also took decades for the ADA to accept that silver/mercury amalgam fillings are toxic. Just a thought.

Basically, industry finds ways to get rid of toxic waste with profit instead of the expense of disposing of it. There are thousands of examples some say, but in such regard we are playing a game of catch-up when trying to monitor such things.

Perhaps these fuel additives would be expensive to dispose of being that they may be toxic materials.
A large amount of money is spent on finding clever ways to profit from every bi-product of industry. As it should.

It's just a consideration that we consumers need to maintain to protect ourselves.

Just as, for an example, a reason that old barns are allowed to decay and become part of the landscape or why there is a fire...
The costs of lead abatement for the old paint coatings and demolition/ disposal would bankrupt the average farmer.

The old paints had a very high lead content which also gave some pest protection, and gave brightness to the work. Many farm paints after WWII were made from mixing many different no longer needed military paint.
JMO
~Richard

Originally Posted by petercp4e

Does anyone know if there are any additives out there that would negate the effects of ethanol?

Pete <:-}

Products such as Sea Foam, and Sta Bil, help to a degree for stored or slowly used fuel. But not always..!

I found that keeping the carbs full thru out the off season has kept mine from plugging up. Let them dry out...and the additives become a sticky sludge

Originally Posted by Geezer

Just as, for an example, a reason that old barns are allowed to decay and become part of the landscape or why there is a fire...
The costs of lead abatement for the old paint coatings and demolition/ disposal would bankrupt the average farmer. ...snip...
~Richard

Some argue that the "costs, fees, fines" of such toxic cleanup is by design of corporate lobbyists to get rid of the family farmer and other small businesses.

So the small farmer burns his barn down, and grows subsidized corn for subsidized ethanol, which breaks his tractor which is still owned by a the bank, and also breaks his finances trying to compete with the big corporations, loses the farm but still has the house, and the dang lawnmower is on the fritz!

I'm sure there's a middle ground somewhere.
Until then we can always keep our blades sharp and shave well!