Thread: Banned from Badger and Blade

Originally Posted by 2Sharp

I for one think this thread should be allowed to play itself out. Here we can speak within reason without censorship or banning or post deleting or thread deleting. It is of course up to the mods to make the final decision on this and I accept it. I like this forum because we indeed have the freedom to express our feelings and opinions on a subject. Thank you SRP.

bj

Agreed.

1. the venting is healthy and will run its course naturally
2. the information is helpful. I didn't know why people were disappearing from B&B, and if this had been here before (maybe it was) I would have wised up more quickly to the practices over there.
3. the behavior over there isn't just hostile - it's bad business practice, and people need to know they shouldn't take the hack jobs on our custom makers there seriously (or at least view them in the context of a would-be competitor targeting what he views as his business rivals)

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

I'll leave this open. This kind of thing is a recurring problem on a lot of forums. As soon as a lot of people turn Mod they seem to think they're god (I've seen it on a bunch of Rollerblading forums as well...but at least most of the people there are in their teens...at least they have an excuse not to be an:


edit: Also. I still like this picture and I think it's a good reminder. I don't think any of us need to be like this. So instead of having it aimed at someone let's keep it as a reminder for ourselves.

Thanks you've made my day

Originally Posted by hoglahoo

A banned director giving marching orders? The high school antics have come fill circle! Maybe it would be better to form a 'banned of brothers' group

Being a high school band director, I would not even consider such behavior at my band camps. Some folks would be doing push ups for life.! I'm still not banned over on B&B but I just might throw a can worms around so I could join the "Banned of Brother's Group". Cool name.

Not to worry Don, I won't.

I will probably get roasted for this, but oh well.

did anyone actually read the threads that led to the bannings?

The RW review that led to papabull being banned started when Joel said RW razor was not worth the price he was charging. the jist i got was it was a good shaver just priced to high for what you got. then RW defended himself (rightfully so), which led to the s**t storm that got him banned.

The thread: is a str8 better than a de... the whole problem i have with what is being said here is Joel did not tell the guy to use a de not a str8. He basically said if you cant get the blade angle to work on a de you are going to have trouble with a str8.

and my thoughts on the custom razor thread over there. I feel that that thread was started with the intention of being a pot stirrer, just to ruffle feathers, to see someone get angry.

I admit the mood has changed over there in the last couple months or so, but i kind of thought it was just me losing interest. Then i thought maybe it was the surge in membership, maybe there was just a bunch of new people that wanted to blab about everything but shaving. Now i dont know what it is.

I know I have never had any dealing with Joel, but i can understand getting po'd when someone changes what you say, or a product is not what you expect.

Robert Williams from my dealing with him, he is a stand up guy. He sent me a str8 for the price of shipping, and i am grateful to him.

It is a shame the two of them couldn't work out a peaceful resolution, it is also a shame people keep stirring up old stuff, just to see some s**t fly,or to get banned.

Just my $.02

Thanks for letting me look around

[quote=shaveme;196113]I will probably get roasted for this, but oh well.

did anyone actually read the threads that led to the bannings?

Yes. Joel was a jerk. Someone had asked very benignly who were good custom makers. Joel said he wouldn't use anyone other than Ellis or Zowada, the others have QC issues, then someone said what about RW, and Joel launched into a hack job, and then RW very very even-keeled pointed out that Joel had tried to hire him and flipped when he said no, and then Joel made the famous juvenile post just calling RW a stone cold liar and poor artisan. It was embarrassing to read it was so juvenile, and none of it was necessary.

[quote=shaveme;196113]The thread: is a str8 better than a de... the whole problem i have with what is being said here is Joel did not tell the guy to use a de not a str8. He basically said if you cant get the blade angle to work on a de you are going to have trouble with a str8.

If you weren't following the thread live, you missed a lot, because the mods kept deleting things. That thread got weird, but it was one of many where Joel summarily decidied someone wasn't up to str8 shaving and told them to give it up, which is really a shame since the guy clearly wanted to learn and Joel's argument for why he should give it up didn't resonate with me or others at all. But then when others disagreed, Joel again launched and got very nasty for no reason, telling Mike he shouldn't be posting if that's his view, which is just assinine. The idea that you can't post if you don't agree with Joel is wrong, and that is essentially what he was saying. And in one case, someone pointed that out in a post and it was removed immediately.

[quote=shaveme;196113]I know I have never had any dealing with Joel, but i can understand getting po'd when someone changes what you say, or a product is not what you expect.

The issue for me is that he appears to be using his bully pulpit in the guise of a dissatisfed consumer to trash someone that didn't do what he wanted in terms of a commercial deal, and that's misleading to people reading it that don't know the background. And some people believe anything Joel says so he has a responsbility to not emote (in my view). And beyond that, why be so nasty and say RW is crap when everyone knows better than that.

[quote=shaveme;196113]Robert Williams from my dealing with him, he is a stand up guy.

Correct. So why was he trashed? Think about it.

Edit: This doesn't need to be here.

Originally Posted by LX_Emergency

Edit: This doesn't need to be here

I agree with everything here, and I was following it live too. It really was nothing short of a hissy fit by Joel [and I have a 2 and 4 year old, so I know hissy fits]. RW was a total gentleman. Mike Ratliff was totally reasonable. Joel threw a tantrum when no one agreed with him, took his ball and went home. It was like seventh grade.

Originally Posted by Lynn

Please don't do this guys....

We have always maintained the high road even in the face of the treatment received there and have been better off for it. I am a fan of most of the mods there and would not consider this the right thing to do.

Much appreciated,

Lynn

Originally Posted by Don

OK Guys let let this one go We Pride ourselves to be a Gentlmens Forum lets keep it that way. Trust me I could go there . But Like Lynn said we will take the high road. So lets move on.

The character of these two men taking this stand are good reasons to spend time at srp, not to hang out with little boys who decide to throw rocks at other windows and leave poop on their doorstep. Some of you are claiming to be a gentleman as you defiantly stand with pebbles in your angry little hands - the claim of being a gentleman doesn't make you one, by the way. It might be a good idea for you take off your crusade capes now and move on. Some of you are looking more petty than your intended target.

Gentlemen? Prove it.

That's a little uncalled for as well.

Originally Posted by Otis

The character of these two men taking this stand are good reasons to spend time at srp, not to hang out with little boys who decide to throw rocks at other windows and leave poop on their doorstep. Some of you are claiming to be a gentleman as you defiantly stand with pebbles in your angry little hands - the claim of being a gentleman doesn't make you one, by the way. It might be a good idea for you take off your crusade capes now and move on. Some of you are looking more petty than your intended target.

Gentlemen? Prove it.

Said like a true gentleman!?