Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by Crotalus

Two local incidents come to mind. One was an old lady that came to her door holding a gun after calling the police. She was inside her house and refused to drop the gun when ordered to by the police. She was shot.

Another was a store owner that had a robber trapped and called the police. The police arrived and the cop in charge ordered his rookie partner to stay in the car. The robber squeezed out of a window and the store owner gave chase. The rookie shot the store owner.

Draw your own conclusions about how safe the police make you.

Years ago a young man came home from college unexpected by his parents, after his long drive home he walked into his parents house in the middle of the night and was shot and killed by his own father, draw your own conclusions.........

Originally Posted by gssixgun

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Time for the true Liberal test question

I ask all supposed Liberals this one,,,

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Watch out I have converted many Anti-Gun Liberals into shooters with this one

Well, that is a tough question indeed, and it has a very simple answer in my book.

A little preface first.
In my opinion, having a loaded gun in a drawer, in a house such as mine where there are a 7 year old and a 11 year running around would make me less fit for the parenting role than I was hoping I were. That is my opinion on that, I'm not pointing any fingers, it is my view, simple as that.
The reason for thinking so is the simple fact that my little girl are much more likely to open said drawer and play around with that loaded gun than two goons actually barging in to my home.
Accidents like that happens a lot, I'm not ever entering that statistics with myself, or any of mine if I can help it.

Now, for the sake of argument, we'll put that gun in there all the same

The short answer is obvious, two between the eyes on both. In a heartbeat.

And here comes the liberal twist:
The two scenarios I have just laid out is excactly why there should be a more stringent gun-law.
In the US, and everywhere else.

Defusing that situation would be my preferred approach, each and every time, I kinda have to, there are no guns in my house.
Giving them what they want, be it valuables or whatever would be a far lower price for me than to become a murderer.
Justified or not, I do not wish to become one, nor do I think my family would like that either.

My first point of action though, should I feel that such an event could actually happen in my home, in my neighborhood, my very first action would not be to get a gun, it would be to call my real estate agent.
I owe my kids a better place to grow up than that.

Originally Posted by Birnando

Well, that is a tough question indeed, and it has a very simple answer in my book.

A little preface first.
In my opinion, having a loaded gun in a drawer, in a house such as mine where there are a 7 year old and a 11 year running around would make me less fit for the parenting role than I was hoping I were. .

The gun is in a fingertip gunsafe under the lid of the table, any responsible gunowner with Children has safeguards, and teaches their kids about guns...

Trust me I have answers for just about any situation you try and toss in there I have asked this question 1000's of times and have heard just about every wrinkle that can be tossed out there..

You either step up to protect your loved one or you don't


SRH your answer is called the the Cap't Kirk, Kobayashi Maru where you try and change the rules of the Scenario to suit yourself (you might have to Google that don't know how popular Star Trek is across the pond)

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The gun is in a fingertip gunsafe under the lid of the table, any responsible gunowner with Children has safeguards, and teaches their kids about guns...

I know most any do that, and I did not mean to point any fingers, you know that right?
That said, these accidents actually happen

Asking people what they would do in unrealistic and contrived situations is hardly conclusive of anything. However, I would, based on your scenario Glen, overcome my training injury with the power of my mind, jump up, roundhouse the first one in the head and disable them with one kick, get the second one in a wrist lock, disarm them both, call the police, then go out for ice cream with my loved one.

However, more realistically, being a liberal I would talk them out of it, and we'd end up singing kumbaya together over marshmellows and coffee.

I'm good at these scenario things - I used to play them with my brothers when I was a kid.

Here's one for the conservatives: A communist is starving and half dead on your doorstep. There is no one but you around. You have nothing in your cupboard but one can of baked beans which you had been saving for when Obama brings down Armageddon with his ineptitude. In addition, she is a former soviet supermodel and believes in Obamacare and gun control. Do you feed her, or do you let her starve?

James.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

The gun is in a fingertip gunsafe under the lid of the table, any responsible gunowner with Children has safeguards, and teaches their kids about guns...

Trust me I have answers for just about any situation you try and toss in there I have asked this question 1000's of times and have heard just about every wrinkle that can be tossed out there..

You either step up to protect your loved one or you don't


SRH your answer is called the the Cap't Kirk, Kobayashi Maru where you try and change the rules of the Scenario to suit yourself (you might have to Google that don't know how popular Star Trek is across the pond)

We have always had loaded guns in the house. My children were taught from a very young age what they were and how dangerous they were. The way I taught my kids was to take them to a gun range at a young age and let them watch me shoot. I think feeling the pressure wave, seeing the flash, and hearing the explosion was enough to impress their young minds that guns were dangerous and not to be touched. When they were older I let them shoot. It worked.

When my kids had overnight guests I made sure and advised them that any gun they might come across in our house was LOADED. We never had a problem.

I took the whole family to a skeet range about a month ago and all had fun. They have already requested another round.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Time for the true Liberal test question

I ask all supposed Liberals this one,,,

Pretty easy to answer. Of course i shoot. And in the panic i kill the bad guy when i mean just to stop and not kill him. Makes me a murderer (morally doomed for life) although by law i have all the right to kill. Or in the worst case i kill my loved one.

Of course this is a zero scenario. Such thing do not happen here. Even those rare burglars have no intent to kill.

Having a loaded gun in an unlocked drawer makes you lose your license. Too many cases where kids or burglars had taken them with sad consequences.

Originally Posted by Sailor

Pretty easy to answer. Of course i shoot. And in the panic i kill the bad guy when i mean just to stop and not kill him. Makes me a murderer (morally doomed for life) although by law i have all the right to kill. Or in the worst case i kill my loved one.

Of course this is a zero scenario. Such thing do not happen here. Even those rare burglars have no intent to kill.

Sadly it does happen here. At the same time I give a cheer when the bad guys get shot in the act. It makes the next bad guy think twice.

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I sincerely thank you for so succinctly pointing out that your Anti-Gun rhetoric is based not on facts or logic but blind, hatred of something that you can in know way have experience with.. Now I no longer need to even bother reading your future posts on Gun Issues..

Yep yer a proud Liberal alright


Time for the true Liberal test question

I ask all supposed Liberals this one,,,

I don't know your family situation so let's generalize

You and your most favorite loved one are sitting quietly at home, Watching TV (Since you have eluded to "Training" in this thread) you have a cast on your broken leg from a "training accident" .. The door brusts open two unarmed large thugs rush in and grab your loved one, without asking for anything or demanding anything, they procede to brutilize them, it looks as though they intend to kill your loved one... In the drawer of the table you are sitting next to is a loaded handgun (an old Webly your Grandfather used during WW2 )...

Do you draw and shoot,, or do you accept the inevitable.. BTW if you shoot to warn they will see the fear in your eye, and take the gun from you and probably kill you and your loved one... Also you might not know this as a non-shooter but shooting to wound is not so easy...

So???? Moment of truth now, pretty tough situation, huh

Watch out I have converted many Anti-Gun Liberals into shooters with this one

You didn't give the option of calling the police.

You didn't give the option of calling the ACLU.

I only included the ACLU because they need to be on hand to insure that nobody's rights are violated.

Donv

Originally Posted by gssixgun

I sincerely thank you for so succinctly pointing out that your Anti-Gun rhetoric is based not on facts or logic but blind, hatred of something that you can in know way have experience with.. Now I no longer need to even bother reading your future posts on Gun Issues..

Yep yer a proud Liberal alright


Time for the true Liberal test question

I ask all supposed Liberals this one,,,

I don't know your family situation so let's generalize

You and your most favorite loved one are sitting quietly at home, Watching TV (Since you have eluded to "Training" in this thread) you have a cast on your broken leg from a "training accident" .. The door brusts open two unarmed large thugs rush in and grab your loved one, without asking for anything or demanding anything, they procede to brutilize them, it looks as though they intend to kill your loved one... In the drawer of the table you are sitting next to is a loaded handgun (an old Webly your Grandfather used during WW2 )...

Do you draw and shoot,, or do you accept the inevitable.. BTW if you shoot to warn they will see the fear in your eye, and take the gun from you and probably kill you and your loved one... Also you might not know this as a non-shooter but shooting to wound is not so easy...

So???? Moment of truth now, pretty tough situation, huh

Watch out I have converted many Anti-Gun Liberals into shooters with this one

2 to the chest one to the head, no questions ask no guilt felt, you come into my home threaten my family with violence you have shown to me that you do not regard human life so why should I regard yours as valuable. just my personal opinion. I believe that an armed civilization is a polite one. I refuse to be a victim plain and simple.