Thread: Whats your opinion on automatic weapons?

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Actually it is against multiple laws for them to have guns this is what we are trying to point out...

ie; The old addage "When you Outlaw guns only Outlaws will have guns"

Then enforcement of said laws are, in lack of a better word, somewhat underwhelming...

I know that old addage by heart now, spending time here kinda ensures that
The fault of that addage is obvious though.
If only mad gang-bangers and psyco's (illegal guns) where the reason for all the murders in those often repeated stats we all throw around, then you'd be completely right.
But that is not the case.
The fact is that a lot of accidents and mishaps are reported each year, both here and over there.
For those alone, a reduction of the armed portion of any society is a most splendid idea. You know, to me that is
Another reason to abandon guns are of course to reduce those killings where one looses their head and does something they will spend the rest of their lives regretting behind bars.

Will that stop killing? most certainly not.
Hovewer, will it reduce it quite noticeably? Yes, I do think so.
You all should try it out, imagine if we libtards are actually right?

Now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya guys

Originally Posted by Birnando

Then enforcement of said laws are, in lack of a better word, somewhat underwhelming...

Finally we agree 100% everything else is total Lipservice...

Most gun owners agree that there should be laws, and actually have no problem with most of them, the problem we have is that everytime some "Mental Moron" uses one badly, the outcry for more laws is thrown out there... We push back by saying you didn't enforce the existing laws, why do you want more ...

Then it dies down and everyone forgets on both sides of the fence...


The worst part of this last incident is that he might very well get away with a Diminished Capacity verdict, Colorado is a pretty tough on crime state and has, and uses the Death Penalty so perhaps not... time will tell

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Most gun owners agree that there should be laws, and actually have no problem with most of them, the problem we have is that everytime some "Mental Moron" uses one badly, the outcry for more laws is thrown out there... We push back by saying you didn't enforce the existing laws, why do you want more ...

Then it dies down and everyone forgets on both sides of the fence...

i'm not that naive to believe that any law would prevent crazy people doing what they are up to. Sadly every time such terrible accidents like school shootings, Utoya or Denver happens, both anti-gun and pro-gun folks can use these very same incidents to support their own views.
Then everyone forgets, nothing gets done, as nobody really knows what should be done until the next time.
Gun laws do not stop maniacs but they have prevented or at least reduced a lot of violence here.

"Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;"

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Most gun owners agree that there should be laws, and actually have no problem with most of them, the problem we have is that everytime some "Mental Moron" uses one badly, the outcry for more laws is thrown out there... We push back by saying you didn't enforce the existing laws, why do you want more ...

Then it dies down and everyone forgets on both sides of the fence...


The worst part of this last incident is that he might very well get away with a Diminished Capacity verdict, Colorado is a pretty tough on crime state and has, and uses the Death Penalty so perhaps not... time will tell

Glen, that is exactly the point. Just enforce the laws already on the books and have a judicial system that does not plea bargain serious gun charges down to a lower offense. As a liberal minded person and gun owner the call for more and stricter gun laws is getting rather stupid when you can't seem to properly enforce those already on the books. Other serious causes need more looking into as a priorty.

Bob

Originally Posted by gssixgun

Finally we agree 100% everything else is total Lipservice...

Oh, somehow I find that rather difficult to believe..

Originally Posted by Birnando

Then enforcement of said laws are, in lack of a better word, somewhat underwhelming...
I know that old addage by heart now, spending time here kinda ensures that
The fault of that addage is obvious though.
If only mad gang-bangers and psyco's (illegal guns) where the reason for all the murders in those often repeated stats we all throw around, then you'd be completely right.
But that is not the case.
The fact is that a lot of accidents and mishaps are reported each year, both here and over there.
For those alone, a reduction of the armed portion of any society is a most splendid idea. You know, to me that is
Another reason to abandon guns are of course to reduce those killings where one looses their head and does something they will spend the rest of their lives regretting behind bars.

Will that stop killing? most certainly not.
Hovewer, will it reduce it quite noticeably? Yes, I do think so.
You all should try it out, imagine if we libtards are actually right?

Now lets all hold hands and sing Kumbaya guys

DING DING DING!!!!! Now give THIS man a prize. The existing laws are seldom enforced (and outright broken by our own Govt. ie; "Fast and Furious") So do tell, kind Sir how more laws will be the magic bandaid on this? I remember when I worked at my local PD, I had ATF refusals come across my desk. I promptly reported them to the acting Chief. He said "we normally just throw those away". I said "WHAT?!?!?!?!" This is a felon attempting to buy a firearm, a crime in it's own right. 5 years last time I checked. This happened a few times. I was the ridiculed for it and mildly harrassed for my wanting to do the right thing.

Originally Posted by EMC45

DING DING DING!!!!! Now give THIS man a prize. The existing laws are seldom enforced (and outright broken by our own Govt. ie; "Fast and Furious") So do tell, kind Sir how more laws will be the magic bandaid on this?

I do hope I haven't instilled in you the impression that just adding more laws, without enforcing them is the answer.
If so, I apologize.
Just to be clear, I would ideally like, not just in the US, but everywhere, restrictive gun laws, enforced to the fullest extent!

Originally Posted by Birnando

I do hope I haven't instilled in you the impression that just adding more laws, without enforcing them is the answer.
If so, I apologize.
Just to be clear, I would ideally like, not just in the US, but everywhere, restrictive gun laws, enforced to the fullest extent!

Enforced by whom? Heavily armed representatives of the respective country's law enforcement and military communities? And to what extent exactly? Shoot at will if any resistance is encountered? Oh, what happy thoughts! Reminds me of certain situations throughout recent history: Greece, Czechoslovakia, Argentina, Chile, Chiapas (MX), the WWII Nazi occupations of the Netherlands, and even your own country!

Maybe Norwegian LE and MIL forces have a very high standard of conduct and can be trusted to treat the population with fairness and respect at all times - call me paranoid, but I would not say that's true in most of the rest of the world, including the US, and even in an advanced, liberal country such as Germany.

Personally, I'd rather take my chances dealing with "regular" bad guys and psychos than dealing with megalomaniac politicians and their uniformed thugs - chacun à son goût!