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04-14-2015, 01:57 AM #1lobeless
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Well it looks like just about anyone short of a felony will be able to carry here in the state of Kansas come July 1... that includes me!
What the hell were they thinking lol?
Bought myself a little Beretta Nano. Learning to be proficient with it, but haven't gotten any holsters yet as I can't decide if I want to get a laser for it or not. I have time.
You guys advocate for lasers as a back-up to sights?David
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04-14-2015, 03:20 PM #2Senior Member
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I've been wondering about lasers too. I could see how they might help especially on small guns with poor sights and/or short sight radius.
Originally Posted by earcutter
I just just can't bring myself to buy a laser. There's always something else I'd rather own for the money.
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04-14-2015, 05:48 PM #3Senior Member
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Lasers are helpful in training (see your wobble, watch the laser while dry firing to see if you dip or push the trigger to the side, etc). You can get the LaserLyte or other similar systems and do dry fire and see where about where you would hit if you were live firing. I have a LaserLyte set up and it's nice to be able to set it up in the house and dry fire and practice and get an idea of where I am hitting.
Lasers are also good in situations where you are shooting from retention or strange positions, ie on your back and the attacker is coming towards you, it may be hard to get the sights aligned, so the laser is helpful in situations where you don't have time/mobility to get the sights on target.
It's bad to rely on lasers since they are battery powered and may not be there when you need them. I do Plate Competitions and many of the people who use lasers or red dots have poor basic shooting stance/form and are new shooters. They get used to bring the optic up to their eye level instead of the sights up to their eye level, so if they try to shoot iron sights, the bring their head down to gun level, instead of bringing the gun up to eye level. Each time they shoot, they use a different stance, bring the gun up differently, etc. Nothing is consistent in their stance/form or even how they hold the gun. When the dot is on the target, that is where it will hit, so it reinforces the shooter being rewarded with a hit, even though the fundamentals are often flawed (grip, stance, etc). When a seasoned shooter goes with a laser or red dot, they can really pick up speed because the basics are already there and now the optic is assisting their aiming (they are close with good form already) quicker than lining up iron sights on target.
So lasers are great for training, good for situations where you can't line up your sights, but you need to have shooting basics down. Way too many people use lasers as a crutch, especially on tiny BUG/Pocket guns. Many of these guns aren't very easy to shoot and the triggers on many suck (long DA type triggers), so if people rely on the laser instead of sights and don't shoot much to practice/get familiar with the gun, they may not realize how much they are pulling themselves off target with the trigger pull, so the laser doesn't do much to help them since their trigger pull is bad and pulls the gun off target. At one of my plate shoots recently, one person used a laser on the gun. Dot was on the center of the plate until the trigger pull, then it was dancing all over the place! Many shots went way off target because the trigger pull was long/hard enough to pull the laser off the target. Shooter went to a pistol with a Red Dot and improved their shooting; the shooter was now bringing the gun up higher and their form improved to line up the red dot on target vs the laser hitting the target. Iron sights, form was even better because they had to line up the sights vs put the dot on the target.
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04-14-2015, 05:53 PM #4Senior Member
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I don't disagree that they are good for training, but AFAIC, like an LEO that trains FL highway patrol in firearms, they are 'cat toys'. I don't have one, and my buddy, who swears by them, let me try his at the range. I wouldn't go to the expense, nor would I want to become dependent on one. YMMV. Originally Posted by earcutter
Be careful how you treat people on your way up, you may meet them again on your way back down.
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04-14-2015, 06:13 PM #5barba crescit caput nescit
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Interesting, you're a Canuck aren't you? I thought the US only allowed citizens to own, let alone carry or carry concealed? Originally Posted by earcutter
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04-14-2015, 07:09 PM #6illegitimum non carborundum
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Originally Posted by earcutter
Wait, is being Canadian no longer considered a felony? Originally Posted by Phrank
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04-14-2015, 07:56 PM #7Senior Member
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Not sure about this relative to CCW, but I think the definition of who is a citizen of this country is much broader than it was in my younger days. Just as there are no 'illegal aliens', only 'undocumented workers.' Originally Posted by Phrank
Be careful how you treat people on your way up, you may meet them again on your way back down.
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04-14-2015, 08:03 PM #8barba crescit caput nescit
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Sorry - to clarify, I had read that only a US Citizen could purchase and own firearms in the US. For instance, if I was residing in the US for 6 months of the year, I was under the impression I could not own, therefore not carry or apply even for a CCW permit. Sorry Originally Posted by JimmyHAD
Last edited by Phrank; 04-14-2015 at 08:09 PM.
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04-14-2015, 08:13 PM #9Senior Member
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Come on down Phrank ,,,, I'll get you a heater,,, you're gonna need one when we head to the Dragon Buffet on Friday night, ,,,,
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04-14-2015, 08:17 PM #10barba crescit caput nescit
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Excellent - I've always wanted two Derringer's, one for each pocket, and an ivory handled .45 like Patton's....I'll pay for dinner and coffee and donuts at Tim's later! Originally Posted by Hirlau
Come on down Phrank ,,,, I'll get you a heater,,, you're gonna need one when we head to the Dragon Buffet on Friday night, ,,,,
Ohhh...may need a bit of firearm's instruction, as I've never held one, let alone "capped" a few rounds (did I say that correctly?)
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